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Runway assignment in Clearance

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I'm a real life multi-IFR pilot, and one aspect of RC that has always bugged me, is that when you pick up your depatrure clearance, you aren't assigned a departure runway as you are in real life. It's a bit of a pain when you have to wait until after pushback to setup your departure runway in the FMC if flying a big jet, or trying to figure out your taxi route.Most IFR clearances I pick up in real life (espesially at a busy airport) are as simple as "Knox three departure, depart runway three four, climb and maintain one zero thousand, squak 4-2-2-1." I know the "expect flight level XX 10 minutes after departure" is proper, but that is never said when flying a SID. If a SID is filed, it has lost comm instructions as part of the SID and you're expected to follow them. Can this possibly be corrected for V5? I'm eagerly awaiting! :DThanks for the otherwise outstanding product!Nick

Nick Holinski

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I'm a real life multi-IFR pilot, and one aspect of RC that has always bugged me, is that when you pick up your depatrure clearance, you aren't assigned a departure runway as you are in real life. It's a bit of a pain when you have to wait until after pushback to setup your departure runway in the FMC if flying a big jet, or trying to figure out your taxi route.Most IFR clearances I pick up in real life (espesially at a busy airport) are as simple as "Knox three departure, depart runway three four, climb and maintain one zero thousand, squak 4-2-2-1." I know the "expect flight level XX 10 minutes after departure" is proper, but that is never said when flying a SID. If a SID is filed, it has lost comm instructions as part of the SID and you're expected to follow them. Can this possibly be corrected for V5? I'm eagerly awaiting! :DThanks for the otherwise outstanding product!Nick
in v4, you can pick the runway you want before you click start rc. the problem with that, you don't know what runway the ai are going to use.you can also ask for a different runway from ground, if you don't like their choice. the problem is, you don't know what runway the ai are going to use.i'll ask the controllers (US, UK, OZ) on the beta team about your request. i would think that if this was missing, they would have said something before now. but if there is something that needs to change, we'll change it.
in v4, you can pick the runway you want before you click start rc. the problem with that, you don't know what runway the ai are going to use.you can also ask for a different runway from ground, if you don't like their choice. the problem is, you don't know what runway the ai are going to use.i'll ask the controllers (US, UK, OZ) on the beta team about your request. i would think that if this was missing, they would have said something before now. but if there is something that needs to change, we'll change it.
Hi,If you ask for the weather at the departure airport you are also advised as to which runways landing and departing traffic is using.Make sure that any weather program which you may be using has completed its processing.regardsNorman Bowman

Norman Bowman

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Hi,If you ask for the weather at the departure airport you are also advised as to which runways landing and departing traffic is using.Make sure that any weather program which you may be using has completed its processing.regardsNorman Bowman
I use ActiveSky6 and always give it about 15 minutes or so to "sync" the weather up with Radar Contact and what the AI is doing. I'm aware you can pick a different departure runway after taxi clearance is given, and I often have to, but even if this step was included in just the departure clearance part instead of the taxi part, that would be better. In real life when I fly out of my home airport CYYC upon picking up a clearance, if you would like another runway you can request it at that time, and workflow permitting they will often give it to you.Ask the controllers on your team, but anytime I've picked up a clearance at a class B,C, or D airport I've been given a runway assignment in that clearance. I often try and select a runway that's different than what AI is using at certain airports with a crappy AFCAD so I don't end up being stuck in a "traffic jam." At airports with a well designed AFCAD where 2 or 3 runways are used for departures and arrivals, I go with what I'm assigned to. Thanks for looking into this matter John.

Nick Holinski

CYYC

Water Cooled (Koolance/Bitspower)

eVGA 790i Ultra SLI

E8500 4.5GHz (2000MHz FSB)

eVGA GTX 460EE Superclocked (X2)

4GB 2000MHz DDR3

Corsair Force60 SSD (OS)

Seagate Barracuda 2X 500GB (Raid 0)

1000W Antec Truepower

24" and Dual 19" LCD's

Windows 7 / FSX / FS9

In AS 6.5 after the weather writes are completed, wait about one minute and hit the Refresh AI button. In about two minutes or less ATIS and AI will all be synced up. There is no need to wait fifteen minutes. I find that the Refresh AI speeds up the response of the FS weather engine to the change as well. During the time it takes to brief the FMC AI flow smooths quite a bit.To relieve the initial AI traffic rush clogging the take-off queues and landing traffic, a fact of the FS AI catch-up when a flight is loaded, I use AI Smooth to spread the landing sequence a bit so AI taking off can interleave with arriving AI.I use the PMDG B736, 737, 738, and 739 series. On this FMC it is not difficult to change the take-off runway if need be. If the SID is the same then all that needs changing are the V speeds which cancel on a runway change. I also don't find entering or changing the DP difficult either. For RC4 make up your FS plan starting with the first common waypoint and if you don't want vectoring you can choose the no-altitude restrictions flex-dp option that will let you fly the FMC guided DP.Check the AFCAD specific sections in the file libraries here and elsewhere for updated ones for various airport models including commercial add-ons that have been updated for the "STAR" or "Crosswind" runway technique that allows multiple active runways beyond the strict limits of the FS parallel runway heading difference. The only negative aspect is that in FS ATC only, not RC, the small pseudo runways in the FS ATC menu will show up. They will not be assigned in FS ATC. RC excludes these psuedo runways in its scenery database rebuild utility. As an example at KMSP the 12/30s and 17/35 can be concurrently active with the AFCAD file I have.Unless it has changed I find listening to CD at KMSP via the ground or CD (if available at other airports such as KBOS) monitoring channel at http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=all has not been giving the expected runway. Most US airports do not have runway specific DPs. Version 5 of RC will have better handling of this as the SID-STAR handling by RC5 will be more flexible. Some of the beta team controllers have brought this up.

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