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Ah, another complaint against people wanting more in compensation for their effort than hatemails and complaints.If you don't think it's worth the money, noone forces you to buy it.Myself, I never used it and I don't miss it.

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Yes, and a valid complaint too. Although I've always been very relaxed towards payware, this is starting to hurt me too. Back in the days of fs5 and fs98 we created stuff because we loved to do that. Creating software costs time, so does surfing websites and gathering new freeware aircraft for yourself. Why is it that creating something that others might find usefull should automatically be compensated?If I hadn't put my time in the SB/PC server, I would have been surfing the web looking for addons. Instead, I created something others could use. It was rewarding and I learned a lot. Because it's freeware, everybody can now have fun. What greater reward would you need?A community is all about sharing. Give what you can so everyone benefits. When was the last time you visited a friend and he charged you for a cup of coffee? This sounds absurd, but he has every right to do so. That coffee cost him money in the first place.Now before going out to pay for active camera, which is a utility I absolutely love, I'll leave you with something to cheer you up. The SB/PC and client code has been legally protected. Noone is allowed to ask money for its use. These rules are strictly enforced, so nobody has to worry about the future of online ATC flying.To round it up, I don't care for the money. They can have my $20, it's just the feeling of people no longer sharing in a community that hurts me.Thanks for listening,Marty

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sad attitude there my man... gimmie gimmie gimmie is what is really starting to be my biggest pet peave amoung the community here.everybody want's all their toys given to them for free....I'd prefer people like you went away, while I pay for what I want.

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I couldnt agree more with Marty. This road will lead to quality add-ons only payware, and only interest for money, not the hobby.

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I've allways ben a calm person, who at least try's to undertand other people and they point of view regarding different maters.... but with this notice about active camera being payware I'v reached the limits of comprehention!!! :-fume :-fume :-bang :~P It's absolutly insane to charge 15$ for an itsy bitsy litle program about 50 command lines lenght and that serves for so litle.:-fume :-fume :-bang :~P I'm passing on this one thank you! I'm not a programer, im a biologist (bitech) but I love computers and can certainly find my way around in programs such as delphy, pascal, basic, Qbasic, and visualC. Together with some computer science friend here at university I bet that in 2 months max I could arrange you all a substitute and a bether one!!!I never complain about freeware, I uderstand the efort, passion, comitement, and time put in these kind of programs, BUT as soon as they become payware I demand quality value and funcionality, period. And active camera fails in all of the above....So rest assured I'll try my best together with some more help to provide you with a "program" that assigns to a mouse some keystrokes..

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Its a rediculous high price. Just looked at the whole LA Mega Scenery package and thats $30 for comparison :-rollPity though, I liked Active Camera but its nowhere near as invaluable as FSUIPC. At least camera angles can be changed manually for Meljet and others :)

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I'll be passing on this one, too.The price does seem a bit steep, but if they can get customers at that price, I say more power to them.It's the machine binding thing that will keep me from buying. What a pain!!!!!!!! Intrusion and inconvenience, that's all binding accomplishes. I'm getting ready in the next couple of weeks to drop a WD Raptor in my box... so then I would have to send to the makers an e-mail asking for another authorization code!!! And they'll get back to me "in a day or so". DOHHHH!!!Figure it out, developers... we don't do this at YOUR convenience. Why should honest customers pay the price of admission, and then have to deal with being treated like theives? Why should we be intruded upon and inconvienced because we choose to be honest?As jwenting said... no one is forcing us to buy this stuff. And golly gee, ain't that the truth. The developers will figure this out... either before they close up shop or after. Before or after makes little difference to the consumer.

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People brought machine binding onto themselves by "sharing" software with their friends, neighbours, family and colleagues who would then "share" it with their friends and their friends' friends, etc.I'd rather have a piece of software that's locked to my hardware (if there is a good mechanism to get it reenabled if the hardware changes) than having a piece of software that costs several times what it could to account for the lost sales due to piracy.

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"People brought machine binding onto themselves by "sharing" software with their friends, neighbours, family and colleagues who would then "share" it with their friends and their friends' friends, etc."I didn't bring it on myself... because I've NEVER "shared" my payware with anybody. Why would I? I paid for it, if someone else wants it, let them pay for it, too.Sorry, you will never succeed in convincing me that binding a software to hardware will succeed. Hardware changes too quickly... especially in the gaming end of computing. Binding is short sighted at best.

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Now before you all jump on the creators of active camera do yourself a favour and test the shareware version.Just do this:- Install- Start at KSEA jump to the VC- Enable Internal Pilot View- Enable Wheel Zoom in VCYou now have smooth proportional headmovement in the VC you can zoom effortless with the Mousewheel and thanks to the MS clickable VC you can do al your flying from here. Users of the PIC A320 will know what I'm talking about. Once you use this you will never want to switch back to the 2D cockpit ever again.Tested the shareware version for 2 minutes and found out that they managed to add this much needed functionality to FS2004. Bought it immediately its well worth the asking price.If you want to blame someone blame Microsoft. I find it incredible that an FS2002 add-on like PIC does cickable VC's better than the new FS2004. The wheelmouse in the VC interface is so natural that I find it unbelievable that Microsoft didn't make it a standard.I would be suprised if a new programer matches this functionality and releases it as freeware but you're welcome. In the meantime just test this software to see what I'm rambaling about.

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>I'd rather have a piece of software that's locked to my>hardware (if there is a good mechanism to get it reenabled if>the hardware changes) than having a piece of software that>costs several times what it could to account for the lost>sales due to piracy.Thats all fine and well, but just seems to me that in a lot of cases the (honest) end user ends up dealing with both :(

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"community is all about sharing" Totally agree Marty, it's also about helping others. The way things are going, this "community" will become so elitist (for the wealthy only) there will be no community. Perhaps Tom should start "a what have you bought today" forum. I too remember the days of FS4, FS5 so on. Back then it was Compuserve who were the main players for FS community. The people involved back then realy did have a love for what they were doing. Alas Fs is following what would appear the way of the world at the moment. We do however, have to remember, Flight simulation is a rather selfish hobby in the first place. Not many will understand that, so I make no apologies for this statement.For the software mentioned, personally $15 US is way way overpriced and will be following JT's advice and not bothering. I'm on the edge in regards to FS in general, I don't like how it's going in attitudes and I flatly refuse to spend thousands on upgrading my system simply to play a game. I'd rather spend it on my family and have some real enjoyment.In terms of add ons, there are some that frankly, are complete and utter rubbish, of course it's my choice to buy, but what I mean is they should never have been released in the first place. It would appear there is an element of this community who will buy just about anything for any cost, for as long as these people are around (and lets face it, many wont be)it isnt going to get better.Before the rich kids with credit cards flame me. What I mean by they wont be around, is they'll have moved on to the next must have game. AD

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The news on Active Camera is not suprising. Seems everyone is jumping on the money train these days. I'm just wondering what will be next? Will it be Squawkbox, Servinfo, etc. Gone are the days of helping out the flightsim community. It's time to get paid.

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The machine binding is over the top for me. I don't want to have to hunt someone down if I ever change anything in my system. (And if they no longer exist, where exactly do I find these two other companies with the key generation?)"Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money!"

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I too am distraught by the turning of another freeware add-on into payware. However, I think in this instance a large portion of the blame can be placed on us, the users. I remember seeing dozens of posts during the last free releases of ACP from people saying that they would happily pay for this wonderful add-on. While the add-on is wonderful, I don't think people really thought the the developers would literally interpret this to mean that people wouldn't mind paying :-roll. Now people are putting their money where their mouth is...Here is what I have to say to the developers of ACP: don't think that people don't appreciate your work because they aren't willing to fork over $15. The truth is, people were grateful that you devoted all your time and effort to provide a free add-on for hundreds of flight simmers to enjoy, not that you happened to have a utility that made the view controls more versatile.I hope this makes sense, so that developers can at least reconsider their future business models...

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Wow, have you actually used ActiveCamera 2004? Because it's very hard to comprehend your attitude if you have. I can assure you that it's nowhere as simple as you make it to be or we'd have had multiple versions of it from several authors many times over by now. Can you emulate loading multiple views into a config file for later use with a keystroke? Can you walk around the outside of your plane with a keystroke? Can you get realistic head movements, turbulence, bouncing on the runway with a keystoke? I can understand if you're upset that they're charging and you love the program and can't afford it. But please, don't try to make like it's somehow dirt simple to program 'cause you're so far off base it isn't even funny. For my money (and I've laid it down for ActiveCamera already) it's got a great combination of quality and functionality and it works exactly as advertised. If you and your buddies can beat that, I'd love to see it. Please, by all means, develop a competitive program and give it away! I'd love to hear your views on the subject after you're done... I'll bet they'll be a little different than they are now.

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Would have to also say I agree completely with Marty. I don't use Active Camera now but I may try the demo version and then decide whether or not to buy it based on its own merits. Or maybe I'll just wait for one of the incredible talents in the freeware community to develop another version that doesn't cost the user anything. This will stand or fall on it's own merits and supply/demand in the new "market".Perhaps the more disturbing thing is this is just another one of NUMEROUS freeware applications, some which have been free and widely used and appreciated for years, that have suddenly gone to payware in about the last 12 months. The line that "appreciation of my services in a friendly e-mail from a satisfied simmer is my only desired reward" has apparently worn thin for many, but thankfully not all. This includes the whole spectrum of MSFS files but in particular weather, flight planning and scenery applications. Since MS keeps pushing a new version of FS out on a pretty consistent basis, there is a pretty significant spike in my credit card account around the time a new version comes out. Developers often use the release of a new sim to ask for more $$ so that their application is "compatible". Often the response is that "we never intended this software to be updated forever", and "it includes new features to accommodate those in the new FS release". Sometimes this is true, sometimes maybe not so true. At any rate a pattern has definitely taken hold where MS knows that as long as they keep moving forward on the basic sim architecture (read sim scenery), add-on developers will do the real work of helping generate a quality flying environment experience. Which means I'll probably spend $500 or so on this $50 sim to get it to where FS2002 was for me (I'm not including the hardware upgrades each new sim release demands....). This is disturbing to me to some degree and has certainly changed the FS environment and community more than anything else since I've been a happy member. The disturbing trend of releasing payware that is clearly not ready for prime time use at time of release resulting in a predictable run of angry forum posts, patches; not to mention some of the irritating anti-piracy gyrations now in place, is also a concern. I am extremely happy to hear that some restrictions will be adopted to ensure that Squawkbox VATC applications won't go over to the paywrae side, because I was already expecting the announcement in the near future that some type of user fees will be in effect for the code or the on-line flying time. That is great news.My personal strategy is to make a bigger effort to say "thanks" to all of the great freeware developers out there, as well as providing constructive feedback when I can (since I have no programming skills myself), and also to be a lot more judicious about what I lay the plastic down for in the past. This has started to hit a nerve for me recently and I guess it is encouraging to read that I'm not the only one...regards,

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And spare a thought for Virtual Airlines, a lot of people would be quite astonished to know how much British Airways Virtual pays out in sever costs and development time to run for its members each year.We too, have been offered donations in the past but we cannot accept as we are trying to play our part in keeping costs down and the reason we do it for free is because we ENJOY what we provide.This is by no means not a swipe at Active Camera, but I have sensed and I have said it many times to my colleagues at BAV that this is the way the FS scene will go.By turning a product into payware you do open yourself to more scrutiny as you then become obligated to your customers to provide better support than you did on the freeware level.

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I never used Active Camera in FS2002 and will most definitely not use it in FS2004 now. I've have to save up for a new computer, then save for FSUIPC.But first, I have to save some money for the bus, to get FS2004...

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"thanks" to all of the great freeware developers out there.True enough Chris, I help out with a few freeware designers. What has become very annoying, are the demands and insulting emails by some. In real terms there are not so many designers around, sure plenty of repainters, you only need to look on the front pages. The file libraries are full of repaints. This is not to take anything away from painters , some do an outstanding job, but to demand and insult what you had for free ? Should we expect anybody of sound mind to tolerate such rudeness and continue ?I really don't know what the answer is. I know of at least 6 great designers who's work is above the current level of payware. Due to the actions past of some, the only people to see them are friends and family. So you all lose out by the actions of the few.Why not go payware ? Simple, they like what they do and have no desire to have the commercial pressue. To them it is what we term, a hobby and a simple thanks would suffice.AD

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Did I used it with fs2004? NODid I used it with fs2002? YES! when PMDG came out with an virtual cabin an I've found it (the active camera) neat.Do I love the program? NO! there are few things in live that I love and they aren't sofware.Can I aford it? YES.Am I upset? Absolutly not! I do not get upset about meaningless stuff.. I do Get upset with the nerve of some people thinking that we (the fs comunity) are a bunch of " bumb yes man" accepting all they throw up on us and thus thinking they can make an easy buck! And worst than that making us belive that we owe them a favor!! FS started being an comunity who shared an comon interest in aviation related maters, and as such shared the knoledge, experiences, ideas, from all over the world, and all of us invested personal time and money that could been used in other things in live, to provide others with panels, sound, liverys, gauges, utilitys, planes you name it...this passion grew big and bought a lot of people into fsiming, it was (is) fun and rewarding to see people using an apreciating our work...It grew so big and people started to "demand" such a complexity that the personal time devoted to develop something could no longer sufice.... so undertstandibly payware was born. they "peacefully" coexisted they were diferent things, one could instantly tell the diference bethwen an payworthy aplication from the others. But today it's a diferent thing, we see absolutly amazing products being shared for free and people complain about them, and we see meaningless product that just because are payware people just make them look like the ultimate best thing and go rushing out telling everone whow good and moneyworthy..... Im starting to thing that FS comunity is being currupted, and no longer being a comunity, but a store, kind what hapened troughout the years with the internet: In the begining a comunity, now a huge megastore (try serching for something and i bet that some one sells it, even ideas are now sold in the net) the diference is that the net is huge and can aford to have both a market and enthusiasts, FS is small and were losing the comunity...Now back to the program. YES it is simple, more that simple actualy BASIC, and we dont see more of them because the existing one was good enough an free so why bother? We only need one of these things compared to planes or other things... Everyday I see shared by a lot of people aplications or add ons or whatever, that are WAYY more complex or time consuming....I wish them (Active camera team) all the luck they can get, and many custumers for that mater, because noone is forced to buy they product, so the ones who do it feel that is worthy....

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This is nuts...now, money for Active Sky? Sheesh... It seems the heart of flight simming, which I always thought was the free-sharing of ideas and efforts...is being broken, week by week.

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>But first, I have to save some money for the bus, to get>FS2004...phew....i'll not upgrade until fs2006 hits the shelves...i'm out of money,so that's a no go for me ;-) (though i could still afford the busride fortunately ;-) )but,on the bright side:1)fsuipc is still free for me(though i will send the dude my money,he DESERVES it,and i'll be ready for fs2004 in 2 years ;-) )2)i've managed to save most addons together,and3)i've got no issues whatsoever,they're all sorted out :-lol4)i'm just having fun,no more,no less...hard to get nowadays it seems.so,i guess i'm the real lucky dude eh?:-lol :-lol

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>This is nuts...now, money for Active Sky? Sheesh... (We knew what you meant *grin*)

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