July 2, 201015 yr Finally got around to testing how well my Samsung 3D TV converted 2D to 3D when FSX was the input signal.The results were excellent ! A clear, bright image with good depth perception.The main benefit however is that the 2D to 3D conversion load is taken off the graphics card, so the frame rate is the regular old 2D frame rate !The basic setup is simple, I'm using a ATI 4890 in my HTPC, which outputs a standard (2D) HDMI 1.3 signal (in my case, 1080p at 60Hz). I plug this computer output into one of the TV's hdmi ports, and the TV does the rest.I think the new Sony's also have internal 2D to 3D processing capability, but not the Panasonics.Another interesting prospect when (if) the prices of these 3D TV(s) come down, ATI EYEFINITY or NVIDIA's Surround without the big 3D framerate hit at those extreme resolutions.
July 2, 201015 yr Thanks for the heads up on this. I have a Samsung 3D monitor hooked to my computer and I love the 3D effects, especially in the mountains. The only hit in fsp I take is in the big urban areas. Bryan Wallis aka "fltsimguy" Maple Bay, British Columbia Near CAM3
July 2, 201015 yr Author Thanks for the heads up on this. I have a Samsung 3D monitor hooked to my computer and I love the 3D effects, especially in the mountains. The only hit in fsp I take is in the big urban areas.Yep, I was checking out the rugged terrain as well. :( Interesting observation regarding urban areas, perhaps the TV's 2D-3D conversion engine does actually get bogged down by a complex FSX urban image. I just assumed that, since the TV was designed to add 3D effects to television 1080p content in real-time, FSX would be no different from any other television signal coming in via hdmi. Leave it to FSX to put the ultimate strain on something! Anyway, the frames should still be significantly better than if you were depending on the same graphic card to add the 3D effects.I would like to know more about this television's 2D-3D conversion feature. What type of processing horsepower does it use? Can it ever get overwhelmed by the complexity of a 1080p scene? What type of input lag does the processing create? What settings can be changed on the television to tweak the conversion?When you read the professional reviews at the so called "technology" sites however, they barely talk about the conversion feature. They watch a television show or something and then usually say they're underwhelmed and leave it at that. They don't even try to tweak it. It was me who had to put 2 and 2 together and wonder, but what about game content coming in via hdmi, how well does it convert that?
July 3, 201015 yr Commercial Member Thats sounds pretty attractive, which model Samsung and what size is it?I find it pretty remarkable that they're able to convert a 2d signal via hdmi to a 3d scene.
July 3, 201015 yr Author Thats sounds pretty attractive, which model Samsung and what size is it?40" UNC7000 series, the "low-end" Samsung 3D LED. I find it pretty remarkable that they're able to convert a 2d signal via hdmi to a 3d scene.I wish I could add more details except my subjective musings. The people who should be providing more information at the "computer" related review sites (e.g., CNET) say something to the effect, "I watched a broadcast of Law and Order for a few minutes, looks interesting...." What the...? I'm not expecting someone to start playing FSX on it, but at least hook up an XBOX and describe what you see! While your at it, perhaps readers might actually be interested in how it works and how it compares to NVIDIA's well-known gaming solution? I'm know my expectations are getting way out of line here, but measuring input lag and describing a tweak (or two) would also be interesting.
July 12, 201015 yr 2D to 3D conversion seems like an impossible technology to me.The only way could be including distance to objects in frames.I wonder how it's done and above all: how it looks. :(Do you have glasses with your Samsung tv? Athlon3700+@3ghz, 6600GT, RadeonX700pro, 2G RAM, Win7, FSX, 1 x LG1680-1050, 2 x Philips1024-768 What I want: I7-930, X58, 3 x 1920-1080 with 3D spacegoggles, NO TH2G, NO Eyefinity, NO Sli, NO Crossfire
July 15, 201015 yr Finally got around to testing how well my Samsung 3D TV converted 2D to 3D when FSX was the input signal.The results were excellent ! A clear, bright image with good depth perception.The main benefit however is that the 2D to 3D conversion load is taken off the graphics card, so the frame rate is the regular old 2D frame rate !The basic setup is simple, I'm using a ATI 4890 in my HTPC, which outputs a standard (2D) HDMI 1.3 signal (in my case, 1080p at 60Hz). I plug this computer output into one of the TV's hdmi ports, and the TV does the rest.I think the new Sony's also have internal 2D to 3D processing capability, but not the Panasonics.Another interesting prospect when (if) the prices of these 3D TV(s) come down, ATI EYEFINITY or NVIDIA's Surround without the big 3D framerate hit at those extreme resolutions.What Samsung TV model are you using?
July 18, 201015 yr Author 2D to 3D conversion seems like an impossible technology to me.The only way could be including distance to objects in frames.I wonder how it's done and above all: how it looks. :(Do you have glasses with your Samsung tv?Sorry not to respond earlier, didn't know my post was moved (my fault for posting in the wrong forum).The 2D to 3D effects are more restrained than when viewing, for example, the 3D blue ray movie that came with my 3D kit. The 2D to 3D effects applied to FSX give you depth perception, especially regarding the terrain, but nothing "pops," which is more realistic IMO. I wish things "popped" out at me in real life and completly sober, but they don't.The effects are probably similar to running FS9/FSX through NVIDIA's 3D Vision. The only major benefit with using the television for 2D-3D conversion is you off-load work from the graphics card. So my case, I can get away with using my second-line 4890 in the HTPC to comfortably generate the standard 1080p 2D image. I'm running a GTX 480 in my primary computer upstairs, which is probably is capable of generating 1080p 2D (single monitor) and performing 2D-3D conversion without a major frame rate hit. I'll eventually get a 3DVision compatible monitor for that setup, then I'll be able to compare NVIDIA's 2D-3D against Samsung's 2D-3D.McCrash, the model is UN40C7000WFXZA (lowest-end Samsung 3D LED).
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