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PMDG, hands down. Ariane isn't even in the same leauge.Bear in mind the PMDG offering comes with a full panel setup incl FMC, virtual cockpit & sounds. As well as beautifuly painted textures. Ariane model comes with a horrible FDE, no panel, no VC, no sounds and horrible textures.

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Hey Kevinc5,Personally I'm waiting for the Dreamfleet 737, due out in the middle of next year. You might be interested in reading the new PMDG 737NG review at flightsim.com before you commit to buying, I know it has saved me some money...for now.CheersDavid

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Hello Kevin,There are what some of us that feel there are some discrepencies with that review. Admittedly, we are PMDG users, but read this post if you want to see what I and a few other users think about the review. Much of the review is pretty good. But if I were to review the review, I wouldn't call it excellent.http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...&topic_id=16862Regards,Jim Richards

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if you like the classics with a nice panel with TCAS, go for the Ariane one, although the panel has no FMC, but the TCAS has real callouts :Dif you like ti have a buggy 737NG, PMDG is recommended. It is flyable but even after 1.1 patch it is still not performing like the Ariane 737 with the same system specs. certainly, they work on it. but how long will it take, till the product is finished.both AC's are well modelled, however the PMDG one has flaws in the visual model. decide for yourself if details like nose shape are important to you or not ;)cheers

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"Chalk and cheese"PMDG wins in every aspect (authenticity, eye candy, flight dynamics/handling, panel inclusion, sound, support, free liveries, ongoing product enhancement, bug-fixing, value for money, etc.)However, Ariane does feature a cardboard-cutout 'stewardess' blocking the doorway......Toni.

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please understand that the choice between PMDG and Ariane, is not only a matter of detailsI have both, i am flying the Ariane 737-BBJ with the PMDG panel, simply because Ariane has no NG panel yetThere are flaws in the PMDG noseshape and in the pylons, as an example, however, everyone must decide himself what such details are worth for him. there are a real bunch of freeware liveries for the Ariane 737-300 and -400 / -500, painted by me or other freeware artistshttp://library.avsim.net/search.php?Search...0&CurrentPage=1if you are a 737 fan, you may consider to purchase all of them- 737-200 from Dreamfleet, once it's out- 737-300 + TCAS II analog panel from Ariane- 737-400 from Dreamfleet, once it's out- 737-500 from Ariane- 737-600/-700 from PMDG- 737-BBJ from Arianefor me this is the roadmap :D now choose yours, cuz this is more a matter of believing than of pure facts.;)cheers

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Come on Martin, the nose shape? Maybe that is your opinion and one other guy I know but please show your proof with detailed comparisons. I would say that fact that you fly a 737 without a FMC is more of a issue than the nose shape.. [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

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well there was a few weeks ago a quiz in the screenshot forum, about the nose issue. i added there a few pics, it say now "pictures have been deleted by the administrator":D i will of course upload them later.@Randy. all i said, is, for me the nose shap is more important than flying a 737-300 with an FMC. maybe you care more about the FMC. your decission. no need to be flaming ;)my opinion, my choice, my money :D

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Martin>>Randy. all i said, is, for me the nose shap is more important than flying a 737-300 with an FMC. maybe you care more about the FMC. your decission. no need to be flaming <http://www.cambridgeflyingclub.com/images/timavatar2.jpg

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>Martin>>>Randy. all i said, is, for me the nose shap is more>important than flying a 737-300 with an FMC. maybe you care>more about the FMC. your decission. no need to be flaming <<>>I don't think in any way can Randy's remarks be construed to>be "flaming" you. He was just voicing a valid opinion that>didn't agree with yours. I happen to agree with him.>>Don't be so touchy!>>Regards>Tim >http://www.cambridgeflyingclub.com/images/timavatar2.jpg"I would say that fact that you fly a 737 without a FMC is more of a issue than the nose shape"i consider this as flaming, as he is pointing with fingers at me, saying, "bad guy, your are flying the bird with wrong panel. you are st**id to do that" i was very objective with my observations, i communicated my opinion but i did not directly point with the finger at anyone saying you're bad guy.it's not his right to judge my way of playing this game. cause it is a game. nothing else.if Randy did not want to give me that understanding, he might wanna drop me a line ;)

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I just bought the pmdg 737 the other day. I was holding off because of all the negative comments I was hearing. I am just starting to scratch the surface with it, but I am really enjoying it. I do have a new system to run it on, so I am very happy with my frames. I certainly wouldn't recommend it for anything less then a recent, new PC. While I am looking forward to the Dreamfleet offering, I certainly will need something to keep me busy until then. I can't compare it to the Airane offering, since I don't own it. For me, accurate flight synamics and a functional panel are what I am looking for in an airplane. My idea of eye candy is what is inside the cockpit, not the shape of the nose surrounding it :)

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"Ariane or PMDG 737 for FS9??"
Depends what kind of flying you want to do. Ariane if you like lots of dials and switches. PMDG if you want modern 'glass cockpit' flying. However in terms of value for money, PMDG wins hands down.TomAFG.

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Kevin...In addition to all the other answers you received, remember that one aircraft models the 3/4/5xx (Ariane) , and the other models the NG series (PMDG). I haven't purchased the PMDG 737--I spent way too much on add ons this year and realized that when I started questioning the cost of a vacation for my wife and daughter--I realized that I've been investing way too much in the hobby and not enough in what's really important (sorry die hard simmers). But I think the PMDG aircraft gives more for the money, from what I've seen. Also, there's the issue of after purchase support. Several items--texture alignment fixes, spoiler animation fixes, landing light animations--that I reported as bugs or not fully implemented in Ariane's model are now being released as "enhancements" costing as much as the original package. No--I am not Ariane bashing no more than someone else who always responds to these threads is PMDG bashing--I haven't mentioned personalities or past issues--just support of a product that's been out a year now. I know mention of freeware Ariane repaints was made, but the freeware offerings are obscure liveries, plain and simple. If you want to grab more common liveries, you have to pay, again and again.One aircraft to also look at if you like flying the iron is VANS DC-9 series. I think they did a great job with their aircraft--I kind of consider it a sleeper, seldom mentioned but great in quality.Hope this helps.... I own the Ariane 737 for what it's worth, and I have a few of Martin's repaints which are pretty nice, even if I don't see the liveries flying our friendly skies stateside. There's a really decent Ariane freeware livery I do like--I call it the poor man's BBJ, as it's a replication of a converted business version of the 733 (and it shows up often on airliners.net). Can't speak for the panel, but as someone said it comes down to whether you prefer steam or digital. I kind of prefer the old steam gauge cockpits, the same way I like to look at the minutes hand chasing the seconds hand on my watch :)-John

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You don't have to convince me Martin--I made the same observation about PMDG's nose shape in another thread, and was pretty much "shamed" out of the thread. You know what they say...love is blind :) The Ariane models do seem more faithful to detail--especially in things like pylon shape. Still, taken as a whole package the two don't compare. One is a one time price and includes everything you need, and the other is "pay as you go", unless you're a talented painter.-John

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Hollywood, I don't have a problem with you presenting your opinion as regards to the nose shape, my point is that you were in part judging the total package based upon your view of the nose shape or using that as an example. I don't mind that you are using the panel, my other point was that you will not find any CURRENT 737s without a FMC, sure YEARS AGO there might have been a couple without but try to find one without a FMC flyiong around today. I hope you see what is a more important issue? Anyone can see clearly what aircraft looks more real and the most important factor here is how FS lighting reflects on the nose. Ariane's nose does not have the detailed shape of the nose, look here at PMDG's nose and then look again at the Ariane and Real aircraft and tell me who looks more real, I think it's a minor point but still believe PMDG's nose shape looks better. http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/33908.jpg[h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

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Randy you should add a number to the end of your 737 statement as there are still a vast number of the 200 series in service and very few have fmc's. When you say current you must mean the NG series as the 300, 400 and 500's are getting quite old themselves and if you meant to include the 2nd generation 737's as current, then you must also include the 732's.I'm not trying to be picky, but rather pointing out facts. So there are many 737's with and without fmc's flying the skies today.Regards,Van LatendresseYeoDesigns/AFG GroupPanel/FDE Designer

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Well we are not talking about a 200 series 737, we are talking about the classics or the NGs. What would have gave you that idea? Whether there are *some* in the world with 737 200 series without FMCs is not the issue here. If you would like to point me to a current airline that uses a classic without a FMC that would be great but it just ain't the case and really is a mute point. The reason there is not a FMC on Arianes's 737 is not because of the reason you say is it? [h4]Best Wishes,Randy J. Smithhttp://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-8/196432/winglets_lg.jpg [h3] AMD XP 2200 |MUNCHKIN 512 DDR RAM |ECS[/b ][i] K7S5A MB[/i] |GF2 MX 32 MEG and still runs GOOD!|WIN XP PRO |MITSUBISHI DIAMOND PLUS 91 19"[/h3]

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The Ariane panel can be used for either a 732 or 733, so in that regard if it's used for a 732 it's modelled correctly and you did say current, so I assumed you meant all 737's as second generation 737's are hardly current if you are talking about the latest then you should only refer to the NG series or include all 737's flying the skies today Randy.Just my opinion.Regards,Van LatendresseYeoDesigns/AFG GroupPanel/FDE Designer

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The Ariane model has a few model issues as well.I'd love to point them out but I'd rather not be flamed.I'll stick with the PMDG 737 thanks! :)And yes, I do own both.

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GuysWith the greatest respect, aren't you missing the point?The original question asks about which 737 is better for FS9. The question of panels, although an interesting discussion, is irrelevant as Ariane's 737 does not include a panel. You have to buy it seperately and given that's it's an analog panel, using it on any 737 from very early series 300 and more recent is totally unrealistic. (That's not to suggest you shouldn't - 'each to their own'.)But given that Ariane bases it's marketing approach on realism and authenticity, Tishma's a mile wide of target.The question of the nose shape is entirely valid but 'beauty's in the eye of the beholder'. They're all very close to the real thing and I wouldn't base a purchase decision on the nose shape (or the fact that one of the Ariane 'pilots' is based on a photo of Tishma..)Simple fact is that with PMDG you're buying a TOTAL package based in the main on the cockpit systems and avionics. With Ariane you'll need really deep pockets and even then, you're forever away from 'close to reality'.Before you get into discussions on other important factors like customer service and support etc, on these few points alone a true comparison between PMDG and Ariane becomes impossible.Like I suggested earlier, 'chalk and cheese'.Toni.

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sweet shot. :Djust noticed that the PMDG has the flying dutchman logo missing. i'll gonna need to add it ;)cheers

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