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Hi,I'm looking to upgrade my desktop as it doesn't seem to cut it anymore,especially when it comes to games like Empire Total War ( gotta luv it! ).It's getting kinda irritating mad.gif Yes, i've checked and theres no software jamming.I've read a lot of different stuff about this machine but people inn here seems to know their stuff so...I happy with my prosessor. But i'd grateful for some pointers on graphic card: like how much more eye candy can i expect to get out of ETW and the new one ( Shogun something like that )with maxed out memory and graphics ( preferbly without installing a beefed-up PSU ).Heard the 250GTS is good but wolut it fit without a power upgrade ( not doing that )....Any suggestions, both nvidia and ati whatever, would be very niceThank you!My current specs are:Model: Dell Dimension 9200Prosessor: Q6600 2.4GhzMotherboard: Model: 0CT017, manufactured by DellMemory: 2x1024 MB ( 333MHz ) DDR2 QuimondaGraphics: nVidia GeForce 8600 GTSPSU: 375WHard drive 500GB

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Hi,I'm looking to upgrade my desktop as it doesn't seem to cut it anymore,especially when it comes to games like Empire Total War ( gotta luv it! ).It's getting kinda irritating mad.gif Yes, i've checked and theres no software jamming.I've read a lot of different stuff about this machine but people inn here seems to know their stuff so...I happy with my prosessor. But i'd grateful for some pointers on graphic card: like how much more eye candy can i expect to get out of ETW and the new one ( Shogun something like that )with maxed out memory and graphics ( preferbly without installing a beefed-up PSU ).Heard the 250GTS is good but wolut it fit without a power upgrade ( not doing that )....Any suggestions, both nvidia and ati whatever, would be very niceThank you!My current specs are:Model: Dell Dimension 9200Prosessor: Q6600 2.4GhzMotherboard: Model: 0CT017, manufactured by DellMemory: 2x1024 MB ( 333MHz ) DDR2 QuimondaGraphics: nVidia GeForce 8600 GTSPSU: 375WHard drive 500GB
Yea with that PSU your options are so limited maybe you could check out a 8800GTX or an Nvidia 8800GTS i'm not sure exactly if your PSU has enough juice but there's a good chance.

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Thanks iæll check it out<_<

Yea with that PSU your options are so limited maybe you could check out a 8800GTX or an Nvidia 8800GTS i'm not sure exactly if your PSU has enough juice but there's a good chance.

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Thanks for the response...maybe that's what I should do, but will it fit in the dell. Heard the make is not the easisest to upgrade...Does anyone else have an opinion....:Applause:

Yea it's too bad, maybe you can get a really cheap 700W PSU though?

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not possible im afraid.

Can you show me a picture of the inside of your case.

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really.I'm told the motherboard is really picky, but if its just a matter of space, i might just get a psu.Anyway, really glad i cancelled the gt 220, that card looks really crap.

No worries got a picture right here : http://www.acltd.dem...Desktop-PC.htmlAnyway what's the problem, you could fit any PSU there!

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I ran into the same problem as you with PSU problems and upgrading a few months ago. My only solution was ditch the Dell.Their cases are too small, power supplies weak, some use BTX instead of ATX, low quality components, etc.Take what parts you can and look into building your own system.

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Prosessor: Q6600 2.4GhzMotherboard: Model: 0CT017, manufactured by DellMemory: 2x1024 MB ( 333MHz ) DDR2 QuimondaGraphics: nVidia GeForce 8600 GTSPSU: 375WFrom the top, the CPU isn't good enough, the memory (333Mhz), I thought my 800 was pants, is woeful. Get rid of that graphics card and do something about the PSU. Apart from those things you have a great PC!!Sarcasm over, you need to think about starting from scratch. Most people I know who own Dells say they can't do anything with them, such as component upgrade and overclocking. Have a look at the many threads on here and other websites to get an idea of what would make a great rig.

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really.I'm told the motherboard is really picky, but if its just a matter of space, i might just get a psu.Anyway, really glad i cancelled the gt 220, that card looks really crap.
Well I bought the gt220 for testing with my old system, and to be honest it's not a bad GPU at all !!!! It performs well and it's quite cheap ! Geforce is better for FS than ATI for clouds etc The looks of a card doesnt say a thing ;)

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Really I think you would get more for your money, if you simply start from scratch.At my work I acquire Dells, but we use them for a strict set of applications that of course do not match FSX in terms of perf requirements. They do not need to be upgraded, they don't need 700w psu's, and they don't have to be clocked., and they don't have to run FSX.The Dells do a good job for what we use them for. But for FSX, short of an alienware dell rig, I think you'd get more for your money ditching that machine and going with a new custom machine.

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Really I think you would get more for your money, if you simply start from scratch.At my work I acquire Dells, but we use them for a strict set of applications that of course do not match FSX in terms of perf requirements. They do not need to be upgraded, they don't need 700w psu's, and they don't have to be clocked., and they don't have to run FSX.The Dells do a good job for what we use them for. But for FSX, short of an alienware dell rig, I think you'd get more for your money ditching that machine and going with a new custom machine.
but not everyone is able to build a rig, it's not easy!

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but not everyone is able to build a rig, it's not easy!
HelloNot easy?, You plug cards into slots and connect a few wires.what is hard about that?

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Well maddog, I think thats total BS what you are just saying ! There are people like me who don't have the knowledge to build a pc, but I do indeed have knowledge with software within the pc. So please don't call people like me who don't build their pc's by themselfs, stupid.....Getting fed up already when I read posts like this....Shame%20On%20You.gif

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but not everyone is able to build a rig, it's not easy!
Hence my suggestion of an Alienware box, if he chooses to go Dell..........And really, you know it's not difficult to build one. What you probably mean is that it is difficult to do homework to figure out what is needed. That is not for the layman, who doesn't know NCQ from PCIe, and just wants to fly.However, this is the AVSIM hardware forum. If it's anything like it used to be, he need do no more than ask, and several people here will provide the exact hardware he might want to use based on his budget. The rest can be done with a Phillips screwdriver.

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Well maddog, I think thats total BS what you are just saying ! There are people like me who don't have the knowledge to build a pc, but I do indeed have knowledge with software within the pc. So please don't call people like me who don't build their pc's by themselfs, stupid.....Getting fed up already when I read posts like this....Shame%20On%20You.gif
HelloWhere did I call anyone stupid?Anyone can build a PC, It may take a little reading of a few hardware websites (google is good for this)Then you plug in the cards you have bought into the MB you have chosen, they only fit the correct slots and will only fit in the one correct orientation. thats hard?you plug in the cables, again they only fit the correct sized sockets and are keyed for orientation. Hard?Then you load your software.Expressed as a sequence of steps, Getting out of bed , showering and making breakfast is more complex.I have met folk who have built their own home from the ground up who tell me they could not build a PC, Then we build one together and they never look back.I doubt if I could build my own house, that to me is complex.

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Hence my suggestion of an Alienware box, if he chooses to go Dell..........And really, you know it's not difficult to build one. What you probably mean is that it is difficult to do homework to figure out what is needed. That is not for the layman, who doesn't know NCQ from PCIe, and just wants to fly.However, this is the AVSIM hardware forum. If it's anything like it used to be, he need do no more than ask, and several people here will provide the exact hardware he might want to use based on his budget. The rest can be done with a Phillips screwdriver.
I don't agree with either of you I've seen many PCs built and built one myself and it's not AT ALL easy easpecially since the guy is a novice (Upgrade rookie :) ) The wiring get's very complex and knowing what to plug in where. Its best done with the step by step help (in person) with someone who knows how... And why are you telling him to get alienware if it's just so easy to build, don't be rediculous please. It just seems easy to you because you've been through the prosses plenty of times.

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HelloWhere did I call anyone stupid?Anyone can build a PC, It may take a little reading of a few hardware websites (google is good for this)Then you plug in the cards you have bought into the MB you have chosen, they only fit the correct slots and will only fit in the one correct orientation. thats hard?you plug in the cables, again they only fit the correct sized sockets and are keyed for orientation. Hard?Then you load your software.Expressed as a sequence of steps, Getting out of bed , showering and making breakfast is more complex.I have met folk who have built their own home from the ground up who tell me they could not build a PC, Then we build one together and they never look back.I doubt if I could build my own house, that to me is complex.
Maddog, I still don't agree. Like Luckyman said, of course it is easy to say if you have done it 20times, but like I said if you don't have the knowledge and the time, which many people don't have, building yourself a pc is a NO GO ! I'm glad your able to, but I'm not. If you have time, you can come over the pond to germany and show me how to build a perfect pc, I wouldn't mind thatRolling%20Eyes.gif

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Maddog, I still don't agree. Like Luckyman said, of course it is easy to say if you have done it 20times, but like I said if you don't have the knowledge and the time, which many people don't have, building yourself a pc is a NO GO ! I'm glad your able to, but I'm not. If you have time, you can come over the pond to germany and show me how to build a perfect pc, I wouldn't mind thatRolling%20Eyes.gif
HelloThe first time just takes longer like anything in life.Watch this video and then tell me it is hard, I wish I could stand next to you and demonstrate how easy it is.but this video will have to suffice.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1NxsHpaL_s

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HelloThe first time just takes longer like anything in life.Watch this video and then tell me it is hard, I wish I could stand next to you and demonstrate how easy it is.but this video will have to suffice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1NxsHpaL_s

So this isn't easy, Looks at all the wires you need to plug into the MOBO you obviouly need to know quite a bit and do a lot of research. This is really going no where so I'd like to drop it!

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And why are you telling him to get alienware if it's just so easy to build, don't be rediculous please.
I don't know you, but there is no need to be like that to someone you don't know. In the past this forum was for dispassionate commentary, no need to call people "ridiculous", that sort of unpleasantness will get you noticed fast. So yes, do as you say in your other post and please do drop it. I was just trying to help the guy out, sheesh.

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So this isn't easy, Looks at all the wires you need to plug into the MOBO you obviouly need to know quite a bit and do a lot of research. This is really going no where so I'd like to drop it!
HelloWow it must really look hard for you."All the wires" are color coded , keyed ie will only fit one way.The motherboard manual explains where to plug them in using extremely simple terms like "plug the 24pin connector into the 24pin socket" complete with picture of the socket.Or plug your CPU coolers fan connector into the socket marked "CPU fan"Come on how hard is that?Interestingly you say that "you obviously need to know quite a bit and do a lot of research"In my experience if you do a lot of research you will by default end up knowing quite a bit, and it is fun.Thats why we are PC enthusiasts?

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I don't know you, but there is no need to be like that to someone you don't know. In the past this forum was for dispassionate commentary, no need to call people "ridiculous", that sort of unpleasantness will get you noticed fast. So yes, do as you say in your other post and please do drop it. I was just trying to help the guy out, sheesh.
What is this a forum for children, is that such a strong word. And I said rediculous becasue what you said doesn't make sense at all.@Mad Dog Alrright but what about newbies, they might not even open the MOBO manual... :biggrin:

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