Hello,I'm curious to what the best way to input information for departing 31R or 31L out of KJFK and using the breezy point climb. BWG will be the first waypoint in my flight plan. The STAR states the following"Climbing left turn direct CRI/VOR DME, make turn east of CRI-R039,then via CRI-223,to RNGRR/CRI 27 DME or JFK R-223 at or above 2500 ft., maintain 5000 ft., thence..." I understand how to fly the climb put was curious what's the best way to put the above information in the FMC. Would you use the FIX page for CRI?Thanks for the help and please let me know if I'm not clear.Chris K

To be honest, the best way to get it to follow the procedure as written, is to program it in from the back end (in the database). In order to quick program it (sitting in the flight deck chairs), you could use the following:CRICRI/223/3 (250/2500A)RNGRRTo be sure you don't bust the CRI 039, you could add in an extra line of:CRI/043/3 (use /4 for runway 31R)CRICRI/223/3 (250/2500A)RNGRRThis adds an extra waypoint on the inverse radial of 223, so that the aircraft will line up with the CRI 223 radial before getting near the 039 radial, within certain limitations. It's really more of a cheat than anything, and it can still go wrong. All you really need is the first part, provided you get off the ground and make the turn as early as you should.As an example:I had a guy last night on VATSIM get the instruction "After departure, fly heading 320 - immediate left turn 320, do not cross the river - wind 320 at 11, Runway 1, cleared for takeoff." This is due to prohibited airspace north of DCA. Instead of an immediate left turn, I got a left turn to 320 at about 4000-5000 feet up, which put the aircraft through the prohibited area and then some. Once you're about 500-1000 feet up, depending on the necessity, make your turn. In the case of DCA, make it 200 feet.For JFK, it's just about as tight (actually, you get .1nm less). If you're taking off of 31L, you have about 1.4nm after the departure end of the runway to turn. Ideally, you're off the ground before the DER, but keep in mind, you don't have a lot of room before the 039 radial in any case. After that radial, you're in potential conflict with LGA traffic.

Kyle,Great post and information. I'm going to give it a shot. I fly out of JFK all the time and have been curious how to input that departure procedure. I know the DCA departure well...I live in DC and go to rocky point all the time. Thanks again (I love your email signature...I would hate to land on 66)Chris K.

Chris,Nice! I work in DC a lot, and I hate the traffic, so if I drive into DC I'll normally sit up at Gravelly Point and take pictures until it gets dark (no so much in the winter, obviously).You're welcome, and thanks. I tend to be pretty good with snarky comments. I figured someone would get it eventually.

Almost positive a departure like this gets handflown or flown using the FCP, they're not gonna program that stuff into the MDCU...

Hey Ryan,I actually do handfly it (It's fun one) but was wondering if one should input any information into the FMC. I usually just plug in the fix for reference. I'm curious what a real world FMC would look like for that departure.Cheers, Chris K.

Ryan is correct, this is a manually flown departure until established on outbound leg to RNGRR. Turn on VOR1 on the ND set to CRIr039 to give you an indication of when to start turn towards CRI. The altitude constraint at RNGRR is easy to meet and you will probably be getting something above 5000 from departure before you get there.