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Hi guys,I have already had a chat to Ryan about my pc but would like a fairly general discussion about it. In case you don't already know I have blown up my pc by trying to run something off a portable hard drive but, I shall put that behind me and rebuild. I was looking at a few components for my pc, the CPU, a new GPU, upgrading RAM and a new motherboard for the new CPU as I was using a core 2 duo at 3.00ghz.So what's best, an i7 2600k at 3.4ghz which I could overclock to 3.8ghz or something else. I would like to know what motherboard would work best with the i7 2600k as well. I know fsx is more a CPU game but which GPU would work best, Ryan said it should be over 1gb as the 512mb are not going to cope with multiple addons. I am currently running XP Professional 32 bit and was wondering that because fsx is a 32bit game would it really be worth upgrading to Win 7 64bit and purchasing around 6gb of DDR3 RAM, I am also not very confident with Win 7 as our school has upgraded and now their computers are rubbish compared to what they were when they were on XP. I am also curious about purchasing another hard drive that I can put all the fsx stuff onto so I don't clog up C drive and would that slow fsx down at all.I have a fairly large budget and would be prepared to save to be able to futureproof my machine.ThanksAndrew Cary

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Anyone agree with this, if so I might wait for my pay day and start building. Anyone kow what kind of FPS over say and orbx airport in a J41 with REX I would get with this. (Haven't got REX yet but it is on my wishlist)Thanks Andrew CaryP.S. Is this an American site and could I buy from a closer shop and do the same.

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I disagree on the AMD video card in Danny's list - get a GTX570 based card instead, Nvidia cards work much better in the FSX engine. The RevoDrive is going to be more hassle than it's worth too - for that price you can get a bigger standard SSD. Check out the Corsair 600T case too.

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I disagree on the AMD video card in Danny's list - get a GTX570 based card instead, Nvidia cards work much better in the FSX engine. The RevoDrive is going to be more hassle than it's worth too - for that price you can get a bigger standard SSD. Check out the Corsair 600T case too.
Ryan is 100% right. I build custom computers for a living, and I can confirm. If you're on a tight budget and can't afford the 570, the GTX 560Ti is good as well. For an SSD, look at the Corsair Performance 3 series SSDs. They offer read speeds of 410 Mb/s. I have the 128 GB Corsair Performace 3, and it kicks butt!

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Hand on, what is the SSD, is it the RAM or the hard drive(I am not the one building it thankfully)Regards Andrew Cary

Also, you should get the 2500k instead of the 2600k. The 2500k is the same as the 2600k except that it doesn't have hyper threading. FSX doesn't utilize HT though, so you can just save some money.
No I think I will futureproof it and do you have a link to the GTX570 GPU, I want this to be the best, I have just got an advertising gig so that is funding the project.

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If you want to futureproof and also the best, I would pick this PSU instead of the Corsair AX850:Seasonic X-750Seasonic X-850It's supposed to be the same one (Seasonic makes some of the Corsair PSUs) but some AX series corsairs suffer from electrical noise. No big deal really, but if you are going to shell 150 - 200$ get the original.750W will have you covered for SLI if you want to go that route in the futureAn SSD is a very fast drive with no mechanical parts

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Hand on, what is the SSD, is it the RAM or the hard drive(I am not the one building it thankfully)Regards Andrew CaryNo I think I will futureproof it and do you have a link to the GTX570 GPU, I want this to be the best, I have just got an advertising gig so that is funding the project.
An SSD is a hard drive. The traditional hard drive has disks and a writing head that writes information into the disks. These have been the standard since forever, but they are now considered slow and unreliable. An SSD is a hard drive with no moving parts, as Alex said above, and it can access information nearly immediately instead of having to search for it like a regular HDD. This means that your system will load things super fast. GTX 570: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130613I use EVGA nearly exclusively for GPUs because the quality is outstanding, and the customer service is excellent.

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I say go the AMD route and save almost half the money. Intel/nvidia being faster for Fsx is just a myth. At 1080p the difference in FPS is no more than 2 o 3 frames and as you go up in resolution it almost dissapear. If in doubt check my youtube channel "rguilarte" to see my amd system in action!

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I say go the AMD route and save almost half the money. Intel/nvidia being faster for Fsx is just a myth. At 1080p the difference in FPS is no more than 2 o 3 frames and as you go up in resolution it almost dissapear. If in doubt check my youtube channel "rguilarte" to see my amd system in action!
2 or 3 frames? do you know it first hand? because it's not true by a long shot sir. I sold my AMD stuff and I'm never looking back, at least until AMD gets his act together or we have a GPU bound sim that is

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- Case: Antec 1200 Case with White LED case fans.- Power Supply: Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W- CPU: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz Sandybridge overclocked to 4.60GHz- Motherboard: Asus P8P67 Deluxe Intel P67 (Socket 1155) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard ** B3 REVISION **- Cooler: Corsair H70 CPU Cooler- RAM: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit- Hard Drive: OCZ Vertex 2E 60GB and Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB 6GB/s SATA-II 32MB Cache- Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 580 1536MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card- Sound: Realtek 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)- Optical Drive: Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BD-ROM / 16x DVD Writer Drive - Black

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- Power Supply: Coolermaster Silent Pro Gold 1000W
Overkill, and with ripple issues. There're tons of better options than that

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How come no one is specifying the 990X CPU and the Radeon 4 GB 6990 video card? I know they are the most expr\ensive, but they gotta out perform a dual 580 card and the i7 CPU right?

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I'd like to correct you. The 990X IS an i7 CPU. Anyway, in certain areas, it does outperform the 2600k, but by a very negligible amount. Certainly not enough to justify the $1000+ pricetag. Remember though, that the 2600k outperforms the 980 & 990 in other areas. ATI's drivers do not work well with FSX at all. In fact I'd say that FSX combined with ati's drivers is verging on disaster. If you want a good fsx rig, you've got to go the Nvidia route. ATI doesn't have AA either. This means that a lot of the textures in fsx are going to have jagged edges due to this. If you were doing CoD or something ATI may rock, but trust me (this is my job) Nvidia works way better when it comes to fsx.

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Just an fyi for you SSD illiterates the Sata SSD drives are absolutely no where even close to the performance of the revodrives. It has a constant WRITE not read, WRITE speed of 450mb/s as your silly sata drive can only do 210mb/s, 540mb/s read speed. The life span is also SIGNIFICANTLY higher than sata SSD's. Sata SSD last MAYBE 3 or 4 years at the max.ATI doesn't exist anymore people stop saying their drivers suck ect... 11.2 is absolutely fine even 11.4 is outstanding since AMD took over. Also, nVidia recalls so many drivers it will make your head spin.

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I personally don't think it's possible to futureproof a PC. I made the mistake once in my life and don't want to do the same again. I once paid 620$ for the Top of the line 8800 Ultra and 3 months later, they released the 8800GTS 512MB which had close performance for 3 times less the cost.So now, instead of paying big bucks to get the top of the line PC and hope it lasts say 4 years, I get parts that offer maybe 10-15% less performance but update it every two years. If you want to buy the best of the best, then by all means, go for it. Just make sure you try to pricematch everything cause here, I can get a GTX 570 for 300$ and a GTX 560 Ti for 200$ with the current promotion.

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As far as hard drives go, does it make a difference with performance? All about the same priceWhat is better?OPtion 1. Solid state HD 256 gig + a cheap 2nd 7200 rpm HD Option 2. 500 gig at 10,000 rpmOption 3 1 tb at 7,200

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As far as hard drives go, does it make a difference with performance? All about the same priceWhat is better?OPtion 1. Solid state HD 256 gig + a cheap 2nd 7200 rpm HD Option 2. 500 gig at 10,000 rpmOption 3 1 tb at 7,200
The best option is to go with a SSD for Windows and most used applications and a regular Hard drive for the rest.If you're on a smaller budget you can buy a smaller SSD (60-80GB) but it is SO fast! I think it's worth the price. Also, make sure you buy a good one. There are some cheap ones right now but they don't offer the same performance.

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Just an fyi for you SSD illiterates the Sata SSD drives are absolutely no where even close to the performance of the revodrives. It has a constant WRITE not read, WRITE speed of 450mb/s as your silly sata drive can only do 210mb/s, 540mb/s read speed. The life span is also SIGNIFICANTLY higher than sata SSD's. Sata SSD last MAYBE 3 or 4 years at the max.ATI doesn't exist anymore people stop saying their drivers suck ect... 11.2 is absolutely fine even 11.4 is outstanding since AMD took over. Also, nVidia recalls so many drivers it will make your head spin.
This is almost all blatantly false information.1. Yes, a RevoDrive is "faster" than a standard SATA SSD, but this is not going to be even remotely noticeable in normal use, especially for someone who's coming from mechanical drives. The new SF2000 and Intel G3 SATA drives are also very close to the Revo in terms of throughput.2. The RevoDrive is faster because it's two SSDs in RAID0. There is a problem with this - TRIM does not work with RAID arrays and the drive is going to slow down over time. There's nothing you can do about it short of low level formatting (aka "secure erase").3. SATA SSDs lasting 2 or 3 years - you pulled this one right out of you know where. Absolutely no truth to this, in fact authorities on the technology like AnandTech say there's no reason SSDs can't last 10+ years. The RevoDrive is 100% the exact same type of flash memory that a SATA SSD is - MLC NAND. OCZ's warranty on the Revo vs. the SATA ones is exactly the same.4. ATI was simply renamed AMD - it's the exact same drivers and the same people making them. AMD bought the ATI company several years ago. Their drivers still do not work fully correctly in FSX - there are issues with AA levels that are solved by the Nvidia driver's combined mode and there are graphical corruption problems such as diagonal seams through GDI+ gauges. I was directly told by a representative that they would not fix these issues because FSX is such an old game and small part of their user base.5. Nvidia has recalled one driver that I'm aware of, the 196.75 set that disabled fan control. How one incident is "so many it will make your head spin" is beyond me.

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This is almost all blatantly false information.1. Yes, a RevoDrive is "faster" than a standard SATA SSD, but this is not going to be even remotely noticeable in normal use, especially for someone who's coming from mechanical drives. The new SF2000 and Intel G3 SATA drives are also very close to the Revo in terms of throughput.2. The RevoDrive is faster because it's two SSDs in RAID0. There is a problem with this - TRIM does not work with RAID arrays and the drive is going to slow down over time. There's nothing you can do about it short of low level formatting (aka "secure erase").3. SATA SSDs lasting 2 or 3 years - you pulled this one right out of you know where. Absolutely no truth to this, in fact authorities on the technology like AnandTech say there's no reason SSDs can't last 10+ years. The RevoDrive is 100% the exact same type of flash memory that a SATA SSD is - MLC NAND. OCZ's warranty on the Revo vs. the SATA ones is exactly the same.4. ATI was simply renamed AMD - it's the exact same drivers and the same people making them. AMD bought the ATI company several years ago. Their drivers still do not work fully correctly in FSX - there are issues with AA levels that are solved by the Nvidia driver's combined mode and there are graphical corruption problems such as diagonal seams through GDI+ gauges. I was directly told by a representative that they would not fix these issues because FSX is such an old game and small part of their user base.5. Nvidia has recalled one driver that I'm aware of, the 196.75 set that disabled fan control. How one incident is "so many it will make your head spin" is beyond me.
This is just beautiful Ryan! The tone of the quoted post was really derogatory. It not only wasn't factual, it was also derogatory. *sigh*Thanks again Ryan for your "fuente de información y razonamiento." You really put to bed rumor starters. ;)

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My case is the Cooler Master RC 333, just wondering if this would be big enough and weather the power supply in it is powerful enough. Could I please have a second opinion on upgrading to Win 7 x64. I have heard about this Sandy Bridge company and I was wondering what they do to the processors. One more question, if i got the i7 2600k @ 3.4ghz and lets say overclocked it to 4.2ghz how long would it last and would it be worth it.ThanksAndrew Cary

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My case is the Cooler Master RC 333, just wondering if this would be big enough and weather the power supply in it is powerful enough. Could I please have a second opinion on upgrading to Win 7 x64. I have heard about this Sandy Bridge company and I was wondering what they do to the processors. One more question, if i got the i7 2600k @ 3.4ghz and lets say overclocked it to 4.2ghz how long would it last and would it be worth it.ThanksAndrew Cary
First, there is a big performance increase with W7 64bit. Switch!Second, Sandy Bridge is not a company, but rather the name of the intel processor. Also, the second gen i7 can be OC'd to at least 4.6Ghz with a decent cooler. So don't stop at 4.2.

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First, there is a big performance increase with W7 64bit. Switch!Second, Sandy Bridge is not a company, but rather the name of the intel processor. Also, the second gen i7 can be OC'd to at least 4.6Ghz with a decent cooler. So don't stop at 4.2.
I found this out & thought it'd be worth mentioning. Only 50% of i7 2600k's can go past 4.5GHz. Regardless of multiplier settings, vcore or anything else, the chips just can't do it. Mine capped out at 4.4GHz. At 4.5 it crashes whether I've got vcore at 1.3v or 1.5v, HT on or off, but I can run 4.4GHz all day long at 1.25v, which also keeps it nice & cool. Even if I couldn't hit the 4.8 I'd been dreaming about, 4.4GHz is still pretty fast for a quad with hyperthreading!As for longevity when OC'ing, the factory included Intel autotune should get you up to at least 4.3GHz. They were built to OC.For what it's worth, that's with the P67-PRO board, H70 cooler & Corsair 9-9-9-24 memory (4x4)

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My case is the Cooler Master RC 333, just wondering if this would be big enough and weather the power supply in it is powerful enough. Could I please have a second opinion on upgrading to Win 7 x64. I have heard about this Sandy Bridge company and I was wondering what they do to the processors. One more question, if i got the i7 2600k @ 3.4ghz and lets say overclocked it to 4.2ghz how long would it last and would it be worth it.ThanksAndrew Cary
1. Case: This is a mid tower case with bad ventilation. If I were you, I'd get a full tower case with good ventilation. You will be upgrading your components, you don't want to skimp on your case. The performance of the system relies on case ventilation. Remember that the H70 takes your back fan port, so with RC 333 you wouldn't have any exhaust ports. I'll get a link to an affordable case and post it here. 2. PSU: Which power supply are you referring to?

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