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Intel Announces Tri-Gate Technology for 22nm fab

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Oooooo. :Drooling: Pretty words.

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Nice little explanation, but if they can't even build a shrink-ray gun, I don't think I'm interested in their processors.Just to clarify, this will be implemented on Ivy Bridge!SOURCE

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Wow, if the new process can increase IPC and reduce power consumption (= even better overclockability) this is going to be great

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If they can find a way to improve stability, we will be at 6GHz+ in no time and FSX will be so happy! Does this trigate technology mean less voltage is required?

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And to think, I nearly spent my computer upgrade fund on a weekend beach trip in the rental 182...

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Nice little explanation, but if they can't even build a shrink-ray gun, I don't think I'm interested in their processors.Just to clarify, this will be implemented on Ivy Bridge!SOURCE
Interesting article, with the Ivy Bridge now in plain view:_52488415_trigatediagram.jpg5 + 35% = 6.75 GHz OC? FSX will rock!Why do they need new fabs if they have shrink-ray guns?Cheers,- jahman.

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Why do they need new fabs if they have shrink-ray guns?
Haha, excellent question! I've been reading around on this tri-gate stuff a bit and Intel seems to be painting a rather bleak picture for AMD. They are saying these chips will put them 3 years ahead of AMD! That's ballsy! I find it a little fishy that they would make such claims on a chip that's not coming out for 6 more months - all just 1 month before the release of Bulldozer. I'm not holding my breath or anything, but here's to hoping AMD knocks one out of the park with Bulldozer! I want some sort of trick play from AMD. More than that, I want a cheap Ivy Bridge upgrade next year!

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Black%20Eye.gif:angry:I am getting ready to upgrade from my "frame display thingy (5-10 fps)" to a 2600k sandy system and now this.I know I should, and will wait until the new(p.....????) mobo shows up this month, but I was under the impression that I could simply get the new ivy when released and replace sandy.Is this true?Keep in mind to use simple caveman terms here as I am not able to compute beyond first grade English when it comes to these things.Thanks for some clarification of this never ending salad.P.S. I know technology evolves constantly, and it would be crazy to keep up for most, but I figured I would be safe with sandy for now, and ivy later on on the same mobo.

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Yep, according to Intel, Ivy Bridge will drop right into your P67 or Z68 board. It's only confusing because Intel is releasing Sandy Bridge E (Socket 2011) just months, if not weeks, before Ivy Bridge.EDIT: Ah, it appears I may be wrong. According to this article it looks like Ivy Bridge will still operate on socket 1155, but it may not be compatible with the P67, H67, or Z68 chipsets - so new motherboard will probably be required.RE-EDIT: But then there's this article which says Ivy Bridge WILL be compatible with 6 series motherboards after a BIOS update - so it's rather confusing. One should note that this article is a couple months newer, so it's probably a little closer to the eventual truth.

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I'm sold and will be moving to Ivy Bridge from my i7 920 when it comes out. 6+ GHz should push FSX to incredible levels of performance despite it's CPU intensive nature.

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Oooh, pritty!! I love powah. :Drooling:

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Having just got my 2600k system I can only hope the ivy bridge CPU drops into the p67 mobo!

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AMD's response. Or her foundries responses anyway...http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384927,00.aspI wish AMD would catch up! The competition is leaps ahead. (Going by the cards on the table)

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AMD's response. Or her foundries responses anyway...http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384927,00.aspI wish AMD would catch up! The competition is leaps ahead. (Going by the cards on the table)
AMD: "We don't need them!"Me: Are you kidding?The reason behind Tri-Planr gates' efficiency is simple:
  1. Chip logic gates use electrical fields to control electric currents.
  2. Electric fields diminish proportinally with the square of the distance
  3. Tri-Gates gates use elctric fields on three sides of the conductor being controlled,
  4. vs. only on one side for planar gates.
  5. Therefore Tri-Gates need a lower electric field to control se same amount of current than planar gates.

Cheers,- jahman.

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Having just got my 2600k system I can only hope the ivy bridge CPU drops into the p67 mobo!
I hope so too. Just made my step from Core2Quad to Sandy Bridge and I hope my current parts will be useable for some time. Can´t buy a new system every time a new one comes out.

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OK..I am thinking I should wait for our dear Ivy rather than get the i7-2600K now.Hmm....

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I know- every time I go to newegg to put my final build together, there's a new technology or announcement that keeps me waiting! Just another month here, another month there, to see what happens or where the prices lie. I almost went for a i7 980 but then saw the 2600k prices for the huge performance payoff... wonder whats next!

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I know- every time I go to newegg to put my final build together, there's a new technology or announcement that keeps me waiting! Just another month here, another month there, to see what happens or where the prices lie. I almost went for a i7 980 but then saw the 2600k prices for the huge performance payoff... wonder whats next!
If you go after that, you'll never get a new computer. There is *always* something better around the corner...

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If you go after that, you'll never get a new computer. There is *always* something better around the corner...
True. The problem is that often we try to futureproof our systems, and spend a lot more in the proccess. IMHO It's much better to go with the best value now and upgrade more often if needed. Get what you need based on what you know will work bestAn example: I don't understand the reasoning behind "I'll get this for MS Flight" when we have no idea what Flight will be like, and by the time it's released there will be much faster stuff anyway

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There are minor jumps in performance and there are major jumps when new technologies are introduced (technology advances acording to jump-diffusion).For me the wait is for PCIe-enabled Ivy Bridge Socket 2011 Quad RAM channels, NextGen PCIe 3 Video Card (2x the BW of PCIe 2, remember FSX is PCIe BW limited) and (hopefully by then) cheap SSDs.I just don't have the funds to justify minor increase in performance...Cheers,- jahman.

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There are minor jumps in performance and there are major jumps when new technologies are introduced (technology advances acording to jump-diffusion).For me the wait is for PCIe-enabled Ivy Bridge Socket 2011 Quad RAM channels, NextGen PCIe 3 Video Card (2x the BW of PCIe 2, remember FSX is PCIe BW limited) and (hopefully by then) cheap SSDs.I just don't have the funds to justify minor increase in performance...Cheers,- jahman.
You know I completely disagree, those are exactly the kind of "new" technologies that won't be a major jump at all, probably flat out no improvement whatsoever, and they will come at a high cost too. We'll know for sure soon enough New technologies / major leap = new architectures, and if this Tri-Gate thing pans out, also new manufacturing process this time aroundI mean I concur on the major jumps, it's the technologies that imply a major jump where I disagreeBy the way, don't expect LGA2011 to sport PCIe 3.0, it is far from confirmed, and last thing I heard is that it will not be ready till Ivy Bridge in 2012

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Ivy Bridge is at least 7 months away *unless* AMD pulls another K8 with Bulldozer and wallops Intel over the head, then we'll see Ivy in just a few months. IOW: don't agonize about buying SB now, you'll have a good deal of time to play with it before the next best thing comes along. Besides, SB offers enough performance to finally run FSX maxed out with add-ons so anything more than that isn't truly necessary. That being said, I'm going to hold on to my Core 2 Quad system just a wee bit longer and hope for 7GHz IB overclocking come 2012 :biggrin:

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You know I completely disagree, those are exactly the kind of "new" technologies that won't be a major jump at all, probably flat out no improvement whatsoever, and they will come at a high cost too. We'll know for sure soon enough
2x PCIe BW jump seems rather dramatic to me...
New technologies / major leap = new architectures, and if this Tri-Gate thing pans out, also new manufacturing process this time around
This performance leap will be due to a manufacturing brakthrough, not due to a new architecture. A similar leap occured when chip manufacturing switched from aluminum to copper metal depositing in the 90s and we saw a 20x jump in clock speeds over the years. Tri-Gate means faster switching and lower gate current leakage, both factors driving heat and thus max clock rates.
I mean I concur on the major jumps, it's the technologies that imply a major jump where I disagreeBy the way, don't expect LGA2011 to sport PCIe 3.0, it is far from confirmed, and last thing I heard is that it will not be ready till Ivy Bridge in 2012
That's OK with me: 2012 is but just over 6 months away, and Flight will likely not be ready by then anyway. That's why I see a "Perfect Tech Storm" brewing a year from now with PCIe 3.0 Ivy Bridge on Socket 2011, PCIe 3 NextGen video adapters and of course MS Flight, so that's my time horizon.
Ivy Bridge is at least 7 months away *unless* AMD pulls another K8 with Bulldozer and wallops Intel over the head, then we'll see Ivy in just a few months. IOW: don't agonize about buying SB now, you'll have a good deal of time to play with it before the next best thing comes along. Besides, SB offers enough performance to finally run FSX maxed out with add-ons so anything more than that isn't truly necessary. That being said, I'm going to hold on to my Core 2 Quad system just a wee bit longer and hope for 7GHz IB overclocking come 2012 :biggrin:
Agreed. Also a Core2-er here, so I'm skipping SB for "6.5 GHz" IB. :-)Finally IB is the last tech innovation we will see: Wasn't the World supposed to en in 2012?Cheers,- jahman.

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2x PCIe BW jump seems rather dramatic to me...
It is, but PCIe BW is nowhere near the bottelneck right now, not even in FSX IMO. We've discussed this in the past, I know what PT said, but tested at PCIe 1.0 speeds and the perf hit was very small. Only thing we can do now is wait for it to be released and then we will know for sure.I plan on upgrading to IB on my PCIe 2.0 P67 board and then later to the new PCIe 3.0 ready platform, whatever the chipset, just to compare results, unless I find proof from external benchmarks / reviews that PCIe 3.0 brings nothing. Then I'll just stay with P67
This performance leap will be due to a manufacturing brakthrough, not due to a new architecture. A similar leap occured when chip manufacturing switched from aluminum to copper metal depositing in the 90s and we saw a 20x jump in clock speeds over the years. Tri-Gate means faster switching and lower gate current leakage, both factors driving heat and thus max clock rates.
Exactly my point, maybe it was poorly worded on my part
That's OK with me: 2012 is but just over 6 months away, and Flight will likely not be ready by then anyway. That's why I see a "Perfect Tech Storm" brewing a year from now with PCIe 3.0 Ivy Bridge on Socket 2011, PCIe 3 NextGen video adapters and of course MS Flight, so that's my time horizon.
Waste of time and money IMO, unless you really need the extra cores, and that's assuming IB in the mainstream platform is limited to quads
Wasn't the World supposed to en in 2012?
Yep, as soon as the first IB hits 6.66Gz the whole world will totally disintegrate :biggrin:

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