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Hello!!Only one question.Is the SFP Package needed for landing and TO at Madeira?How i can learn to use SFP? Like flaps config, speeds etc for TO and landing...Thanks

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Hello!! Only one question. Is the SFP Package needed for landing and TO at Madeira? How i can learn to use SFP? Like flaps config, speeds etc for TO and landing... Thanks
No. 767's and 747's are capable of landing there

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A little off topic but i always wondered why runway 5 has this complicated approach from FUN vor. When turning at D6 you can´t see Gelo approach lights from the Captains seat. It would be much easier and safer if there was a FAP fix somewhere SE of Gelo so you could fly straight to it and have a MAP directed to FUN.

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There is no room for that, there is high terrain SE of gelo. They can install some IGS maybe..

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There is no room for that, there is high terrain SE of gelo. They can install some IGS maybe..
Oh yeah. They could make of Madeira a new Kai Tak LOL.gif Would be lots of FUN. Anyway, Funchal Airport is a nice airport, and very challeging to fly into. The approach at RWY 05 is not that easy and there are some strong winds there. Just like Kai Tak =D. The only problem of it in FSX is that we need add-on scenery there because FSX's default scenery is all messed up. The altitude is totally worng.

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Oh yeah. They could make of Madeira a new Kai Tak LOL.gif Would be lots of FUN. Anyway, Funchal Airport is a nice airport, and very challeging to fly into. The approach at RWY 05 is not that easy and there are some strong winds there. Just like Kai Tak =D. The only problem of it in FSX is that we need add-on scenery there because FSX's default scenery is all messed up. The altitude is totally worng.
Aerosoft Madeira X

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Everything on that approach is like it is for a very precise reason. For those of you who would like to know how procedures are constructed, all the information is found in ICAO8168-OPS/611 (pans-ops) Volume2. Maybe you can find it in google or a reduced version.

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A little off topic but i always wondered why runway 5 has this complicated approach from FUN vor. When turning at D6 you can´t see Gelo approach lights from the Captains seat. It would be much easier and safer if there was a FAP fix somewhere SE of Gelo so you could fly straight to it and have a MAP directed to FUN.
I think it is a matter of accuracy - flying outbound on 212 radial from FUN until 6DME you know exactly where you are when you begin the turn. And making the visual right turn from FUN DME6 to GELO is probably easier in the real plane than in FSX.

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Aerosoft Madeira X
I know this one. It's actually the only payware scenery for Madeira and Porto Santo, or the only good one I'm aware of, at least. I was posting in a hurry and forgot to mention it. But it's a nice scenery. Still haven't got it, but it's already in my plans.

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Watch the videos below and you will see why they do it the way they do.

And you can get the scenery here. I have it and highly recommend it. If you have the scenery at least you can do the visual cues like they do in the real world. The Default FSX LPMA is awful and unrealistic. Not only that but the runway is a couple hundred feet too high. So if your looking at the default and wondering why they don't just go straight in well thats why. And if your not using any Mesh like FS Genesis or FS Global your not seeing the Terrain at the proper heights. http://secure.simmar...madeira-x.phtml
Its called the FUN VOR for a reason
That made me laugh Di. Everytime I see it I am thinking the same thing. FUN FUN FUN! Just%20Kidding.gif I also like finding Navigation Aids based on Hollywood Actors and TV Shows. Like in Hawaii you got Danno.Booke8 from Hawaii Five-O and Even Tom Selleck from Magnum PI is in there somewhere although I can't find him right now.

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Can anyone post a COMPLETE FLIGHT PLAN for landing at Madeira please?
I'll try. Let's simulate a flight from Lisbon (LPPT) to Madeira (LPMA). The route that is generally used for this flight is GANSU UN975 NARTA UZ14 LIDRO. Let's skip the departure and cruise and focus on the arrival. For this route, if you're going to land at runway 05, you'd do the LIDRO 4A arrival with the VOR approach. So, after passing FUN VOR at 1430 feet, which marks the beginning of the approach, you have a point at 3.6 nautical miles from the VOR on the 212 radial which is the MAPt. You'll use a point 6 nautical miles out of the VOR also on the 212 radial as an indicator to where to start the turn. You should pass this point at 900 feet. After this point, you have GELO, which you should cross at 850 feet and that is where the approach lead-in lights begin, and ROSRO, or Rosario, to be crossed at 450 feet and that is where the lead-in lights end and the point where you should be lined up with the centerline of the runway. That's it. Not that complicated. That's how this approach is depicted in the Navigraph nDAC charts and how I fly it, and I'm not a real pilot so I stand to be correct here.

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I'll try. Let's simulate a flight from Lisbon (LPPT) to Madeira (LPMA). The route that is generally used for this flight is GANSU UN975 NARTA UZ14 LIDRO. Let's skip the departure and cruise and focus on the arrival. For this route, if you're going to land at runway 05, you'd do the LIDRO 4A arrival with transition at FUN VOR. So, after passing FUN at 4000 feet, which marks the beginning of the approach, you can use a point 6 nautical miles out of the VOR on the 212 radial as an indicator to where to start the turn. You should start pass this point at 900 feet. After this point, you have GELO, which you should cross at 850 feet and that is where the approach lights begin, and ROSRO, or Rosario, to be crossed at 450 feet and that is where the lights end and the point where you should be ligned up with the centerline of the runway. That's it. Not that complicated.
Thanks for this fantastic post. I have the Jeppesen carts, i'll try it tomorrow. This is a real world used route?Will FMC calculate speed and altitude restrictions and descent good? Or need to correct it? Only 6 nm for descent 4000' to 900'??Thanks again

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Thanks for this fantastic post. I have the Jeppesen carts, i'll try it tomorrow. This is a real world used route? Will FMC calculate speed and altitude restrictions and descent good? Or need to correct it? Only 6 nm for descent 4000' to 900'?? Thanks again
Take a look at my post again. I made some editions to it. As far as I know, that's the real deal. I haven't flown this approach with the NGX yet, so can't say for sure, but I don't think you'll have problems with the FMS. It seems to be a short distance, but that is what is written in the charts. But it can also be at 900 or above, although per the nDAC charts it seems to be at 900 indeed. I could post a picture of the charts here, but I don't know if Navigraph allows me to do this, so I'll not take the risk. But if you google for charts, you'll surely find some.

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Take a look at my post again. I made some editions to it. As far as I know, that's the real deal. I haven't flown this approach with the NGX yet, so can't say for sure, but I don't think you'll have problems with the FMS. It seems to be a short distance, but that is what is written in the charts. But it can also be at 900 or above, although per the nDAC charts it seems to be at 900 indeed.
Thanks again for your help. Tomorrow i'll try.Regards from Spain friend

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Thanks again for your help. Tomorrow i'll try. Regards from Spain friend
A correcton. You were right. It's not 4000 feet at FUN, it's 1430 feet. I misinterpreted the chart.

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so...that will be something like this: a. FUN (FUN VOR)b. FUN213/06 (Creates place/bearing/distance from FUN VOR 6DME)c. GELO (start lead in lights) ?

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so...that will be something like this: a. FUN (FUN VOR)b. FUN213/06 (Creates place/bearing/distance from FUN VOR 6DME)c. GELO (start lead in lights) ?
Let's make a step-by-step. a. FUN VOR (1430ft)b. FUN 212 radial, 3.6nm out (940ft - MAPt)c. FUN 212 radial, 6nm (900ft - start the turn)d. GELO (850ft - start of the lead-in lights)e. ROSRO (Rosario) (450ft - end of the lead-in lights, has to be aligned with the runway) And another thing. ROSRO is how the waypoint Rosario is in the FMS database. So if you have to enter Rosario in the approach, you type ROSRO.

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