November 18, 201114 yr Author I'm not against the idea but it doesn't appeal to me. I don't think I'm the only one who likes takeoff and landing. As PNF, I will lose takeoff and landing. There's not a lot left.Paul ScholeyNot true...Usually the Right and left seat will alternate Pilot Flying and Pilot Monitoring per leg. So each crew member stays current and gets a chance to takeoff and land. Durring all phases of flight, the Pilot Monitoring is in some cases busier than the pilot flying. He or she is the one dealing with most of the aircraft systems and manual calculations, while the PF is mostly just flying the aircraft and or monitoring the autopilot.Considering that most people flying the NGX will spend around 75% or more of their flight time per leg with the Auto Flight System in command, their experience in the NGX is more in line of what the PM would experience while the PF is actually handflying or closely monitoring the PFD and ND.JB Buzz313th
November 18, 201114 yr Your question is answered in my first post of this thread. It is not a poll for the pricing of Multicrew but more an insentive for PMDG to consider development of multicrew even if it's completion would be a business loss for them monetarily wise.Thanks for your opinion.JBJB (is that your full name?), you've set up a poll asking how much people would pay for multicrew. That's PMDG's business alone and speculation here about pricing is not helpful. The first post says you want to get an idea of how much this option could earn PMDG in the hope that if it's enough PMDG might be more interested in multicrew (which you clearly are). My suggestion would be to accept what PMDG have already said and leave it at that. In my experience they don't like being pushed in directions they don't want to go. (See the threads on Weather Radar, 2D cockpits and the NGX 2D pedestal as examples).What might be more useful would be a poll which simply asks whether people are interested in multicrew or not. That would at least give PMDG a clue as to whether people are interested in such an expansion. To ask if people would be prepared to pay for it when PMDG have already as said it would be part of a future update is putting the cart before the horse.Kevin Hall
November 19, 201114 yr Duke Turbine (Initial Release) had Multiplayer & Shared Cockpit issues.Duke Turbine SP1 (SERVICE PACK 1) fixed ALL those issues, making it 100% Multiplayer & FULLY 100% Shared Cockpit Compatable.With SP1, there is NO UDP Flooding.The non-Turbine Duke was never updated, and unfortunatly, does have Multiplayer & Shared Cockpit issues.Is the Duke Turbine still shareable with the garmin 530 from RXP installed for both players ?
November 19, 201114 yr I'm not against the idea but it doesn't appeal to me. I don't think I'm the only one who likes takeoff and landing. As PNF, I will lose takeoff and landing. There's not a lot left.Paul Scholey+1.The comment has been made that flying the NGX as a single "pilot" (my quotes) is TOTALLY unrealistic. If that is the line of thought, then one could add that even when flying with another person it's STILL unrealistic because you don't get paid to do it you're sitting in front of a PC monitor there isn't a real 12,000 ft runway stretching in front of you you don't actually leave the ground etc etc !Speaking strictly for myself, I am quite happy being the only one in control of my modest set-up while SIMULATING the experience of operating a sophisticated jet. Let us not lose sight of the fact that SIMULATING is all it'll ever be, no matter how realistic anyone tries to make it by installing goodness knows how many add-ons or adding more or less sophisticated control boxes (as I have done to a degree). We all have different preferences, and in my view there is not a single one which is "better" than the next. It all depends on what the end-user wants it for and what he/she gets out of it. Cheers, Emile Bax.
November 19, 201114 yr I can see multicrew being a great plus for VA's if they stick to strict schedules and roster two pilots per flight. I don't think it's for me though. I don't fly online and I prefer to operate the whole flight singlehanded, even if you do get overloaded at times. People who fly online a lot and like following procedures and flows exactly may disagree.Kevin Hall
November 19, 201114 yr Author Is the Duke Turbine still shareable with the garmin 530 from RXP installed for both players ?No, since the RXP GNS's are not. You would need to convert your duke back to default radios.JB Buzz313th
November 19, 201114 yr Is the Duke Turbine still shareable with the garmin 530 from RXP installed for both players ?Good Question -- I do not know, but I suspect that the Garmin 530 itself does NOT share across the Shared Cockpit connection - Even if that is so, it would not stop everything else sharing correctly.The Sharing of the RXP Garmin 530 is a function of that addon, and not the Duke Turbine.
November 19, 201114 yr Commercial Member I've tried 'shared cockpit' with the Leonardo Maddog.I really liked it.Trouble is because it's internet based, you have to deal with all the weird stuff the internet can throw at you... lag, dropped connections, etc.You also have to ensure you know the guy you're doing it with well... you don't want some kid who just wants to screw around and do loops and rolls.Shared cockpit functionality with a plane as mega complex and intricate as the NGX I'm sure would be a massive undertaking for PMDG... but if anyone can pull it off, they can. B. York FS2Crew Web Site / FS2Crew Facebook Page / FS2Crew Discord
November 19, 201114 yr Good idea! I have little disapproval of MCC - one of yours said the most key fact for me in this issue: who does guarantee that the "right person" will share the cockpit with me over the net? I do feel much more better when I can talk to him/her face2face before TO and during the entire flight. I would pay for it. But I will use this feature in a "classroom" style implementation. All the pilots must breath the same air...you probably have some hints what I mean. Good idea gain! Keep thinking on it togeather with PMDG. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Gabor Zelenak,Hungarocontrol CNSI -------------------------------------------------------------------------- echo '16i[q]sa[ln0=aln100%Pln100/snlbx]sb20293B5D44534254454E5Bsnlbxq'|dc -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- 10 kind of human' existing in the universe: -- who knows binary numbers, -- who doesn't.
November 19, 201114 yr I think this is a must for such a good simulated add-on like the 737 NGX. It would add a touch more of realism, fun and training experience I would be ready to pay for it. Peter Nalbek Mobo: GA-P67A-UD7-B3 (F2) CPU: i7 2600k 4.8 GHz HT off RAM: 8GB Gskill DDR3-2133 PC3 17000 (4GB x 2) CL 11-11-11-30-2N 1.5V SDD: OCZ Vertex2 240 GB GPU: Zotac 580 GTX OS: Windows 7 x64
November 19, 201114 yr I think the Lotus L-39C is a very fine example of multi crew setup, certianly in an Instructor-Student sense. "The knack of flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." - Douglas Adams Tejon 'TJ' Stanley
November 19, 201114 yr The real value to multicrew is the learning enviorment no matter your skill level there is always some gain.I have flown multiplayer with a friend who is a CFI and a great pilot,but not familiar with PMDG airplanes or computers with FSX.Therefore we both gain from flying together. Skip Guidry
November 22, 201114 yr I really hope PMDG it's going to let it happen. Peter Nalbek Mobo: GA-P67A-UD7-B3 (F2) CPU: i7 2600k 4.8 GHz HT off RAM: 8GB Gskill DDR3-2133 PC3 17000 (4GB x 2) CL 11-11-11-30-2N 1.5V SDD: OCZ Vertex2 240 GB GPU: Zotac 580 GTX OS: Windows 7 x64
November 23, 201114 yr I've tried 'shared cockpit' with the Leonardo Maddog.I really liked it.Trouble is because it's internet based, you have to deal with all the weird stuff the internet can throw at you... lag, dropped connections, etc.Bryan100%. Sharing over a nice clean, reliable LAN connection is very different to sharing over the Internet.In a "Shared Cockpit" software application, there is likely to be far more code to deal with the Internet reliability issues, than the actual "Shared Cockpit" code.I
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