June 11, 201213 yr Author To disable throttling disable Speedstep, C1E, C3 and C6. This is however not recommended, as Stephen said, and I also find it to be a very bad practice, except for testing. But certainly doesn't cause stutters, for as soon FSX starts, CPU goes to full speed and never throttles down, until you close the FSX. Not throttling will cause a high wear on the CPU on high overclocks and will most likely seriously lower the life expectancy of the SB chip. As far as I'm aware, there's zero proof that not throttling causes any wear on SB CPUs (never-mind high wear as you put it). However if you've got proof of the contrary I'd gladly take your advice - otherwise it's pure speculation. Luke Harvest
June 11, 201213 yr I don't need proof - it's a common sense. Running highly tuned engine at high rev all the time is going to wear the parts quite faster then running it high rev when only needed. The question is only is your CPU going to die after a year, a two or longer. And the proof can't be made, since no CPU is alike.
June 11, 201213 yr Author I don't need proof - it's a common sense. Running highly tuned engine at high rev all the time is going to wear the parts quite faster then running it high rev when only needed. The question is only is your CPU going to die after a year, a two or longer. And the proof can't be made, since no CPU is alike. You're comparing apples to oranges in your "engine" example, common sense would tell you not to compare the two - light bulbs operate at its maximum power the entire time, are you suggesting we turn those down as well? Also, why is the temperature of the processor cores only 30 degrees if it's "running at high rev" all the time, while it runs twice as hot when in a demanding application? Luke Harvest
June 11, 201213 yr Sorry, I'm not gonna pursue this discussion any more. I will keep monitoring it though.
June 11, 201213 yr Author Sorry, I'm not gonna pursue this discussion any more. I will keep monitoring it though. There are various other things, RAM clock, RAM voltage, temperature, vCore, VCCIO, VCCSA, power supply ripple that can also have a detrimental effect, if not more pronounced, than running an IDLE CPU overclocked. Luke Harvest
June 11, 201213 yr There are various other things, RAM clock, RAM voltage, temperature, vCore, VCCIO, VCCSA How in the world did we get here? We were discussing YOUR CPU's downclocking perils?!?!
June 12, 201213 yr We were discussing YOUR CPU's downclocking perils ...as well as speculating elsewhere that an aircraft's rotating beacon was responsible for his stutters every couple of seconds... What's next, power supply? Ah ok, because I currently have a stutter which is totally periodic, every two seconds, and also goes in time with the default aircraft's rotating beacons. http://forum.avsim.n...0/#entry2389266
June 12, 201213 yr ...as well as speculating elsewhere that an aircraft's rotating beacon was responsible for his stutters every couple of seconds... What's next, power supply? :LMAO:
June 12, 201213 yr I've been running my 908X at full speed 24/7 for close to 2 years now without BSOD or else, did the same with my QX9650. I've always disable everything that can make my CPU downclock, period. As far as stuttering with FSX....so many things can cause them....if one want to start from the beginning trying to erase all stuttering ....well.....start by laping your CPU, large degree difference between 2 core can cause stutterings, futher more, by laping your CPU you may shave up to 9 degrees C off your temp. The list goes on and on....harves is also right about the power supplies ripples, ripples fluctuation WILL have a big impact on bleeding edge overclock, to many of them and you won't be able to stay stable when pushing for max overclock, new mobo with better components will take some edge off of it but still, a cheap *** power supply (and sometime reputable one) with high ripples will definitely impact your high overclock trying to get it stable. I always had and still have one golden rule when overclocking is involve, here it is........if you can't afford to overclock don't. Edit: About laping your CPU, you also have to lap your heatsink for best result.
June 12, 201213 yr Author ...as well as speculating elsewhere that an aircraft's rotating beacon was responsible for his stutters every couple of seconds... What's next, power supply? http://forum.avsim.n...0/#entry2389266 . This is actually the stutter that was cured when I disabled the throttling. How in the world did we get here? We were discussing YOUR CPU's downclocking perils?!?! I was trying to point out that running an idle CPU over-clocked is not a big deal - especially not enough to warrant red lettering as some kind of warning. Plenty of people buy sub-standard PSUs, thinking power is power - which is not the case, and is much more likely to do damage than an idle CPU over-clocked. I'm willing to bet most people who overclock don't change VCCIO/VCCSA values, which again - could very easily be doing more damage. The same goes for RAM and respective temperatures of the CPU and potentially the RAM. Disabling throttling is not guaranteed to put any additional wear on a CPU - it's purely speculative, so it's interesting that an AVSIM staff member comes along, states it will cause CPU wear, then proceeds to lock the thread. Luke Harvest
June 12, 201213 yr The list goes on and on.... Yes, I'm sure it does... Why not? Let's have all the assembled prognosticators instigate another general melee of overstating the obvious, while mixing the trivial with the momentous, and the irrelevant with the crucial into an indignant potion of collectable pop-technical platitudes. :P Such a waste of time and energy on a nice warm day, so have at it then. I'm going to do something more fun, like catch up on doing my taxes... Kind regards,
June 12, 201213 yr It comes down to the following, gentlemen: It is a fact of nature that things wear down over time, the universal law of entropy applies as much in electronics as anywhere else. Anecdotal evidence aside, it's going to happen some time. Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it never will. That being said, if you're fine with this risk it is your computer and you can do with it as you like.
June 12, 201213 yr I'm going to do something more fun, like catch up on doing my taxes... :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO: :LMAO:
June 12, 201213 yr Yes, I'm sure it does... Why not? Let's have all the assembled prognosticators instigate another general melee of overstating the obvious, while mixing the trivial with the momentous, and the irrelevant with the crucial into an indignant potion of collectable pop-technical platitudes. :P Such a waste of time and energy on a nice warm day, so have at it then. I'm going to do something more fun, like catch up on doing my taxes... Kind regards, :Talk to the Hand: Say what??? :P I'm not having fun either, I'm painting two bedroom :sorry: ......overclocking is not like it used to be, no more messing with blck since Sandy Bridge, you just have to get good hardware flip a switch in bios and voila......I know, it's not that simple but it's nothing like it used to be...alright, back on the brush...
June 12, 201213 yr :Talk to the Hand: Say what??? :P I'm not having fun either, I'm painting two bedroom :sorry: ......overclocking is not like it used to be, no more messing with blck since Sandy Bridge, you just have to get good hardware flip a switch in bios and voila......I know, it's not that simple but it's nothing like it used to be...alright, back on the brush... Ah, come on Alain, it's not like it was rocket science when the bclk was unlocked. Overclocking Sandy / Ivy Bridge is nothing like flipping a switch (if it is, you're doing it wrong), actually it's essentially the same process as in Nehalem
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