Pushing the left pedal forward makes the plan turn>left. Doh! I thought it would turn right like twisting the>joystick to the right. What a discovery on my first landing!Now, did you know.......that pushing right hand on a motorcycle handle bar will make the cycle turn right, which is like an airplane. But add a third wheel, such as a side car or three-wheeler & it will be the opposite.But.......... if the cycle is moving "real" slow, such as manuvering in the garage, then pushing right hand will turn to the left!Such mass confusion again!!!!! :)L.Adamson

With regards to the motorcycle- that's called a panic turn- when you see the professional racers laying the bikes down low into those corners, that's how they get them to drop so fast. They nudge the right handlebar when entering a right turn, and it drops it onto it's right side. It's simple physics, when you nudge the right handlebar, the wheel goes left, and "pulls" the bike down. Of course you have to be careful not to drop too far, that'll give you a nice big raspberry!

>Now, did you know.......>>that pushing right hand on a motorcycle handle bar will make>the cycle turn right, which is like an airplane. But add a>third wheel, such as a side car or three-wheeler & it will be>the opposite.>Such mass confusion again!!!!! :)*:-* I'll say! Now I am totally confused by your didja know. I guess I'm wrestling with the physics (where's Michael?;-)) on this one. If I push the right handle bar forward the wheel turns left and the bike follows. Side car or otherwise. What am I missing?

I've ridden motorcycles for around 30 years, but never realized the turning part, until a friend and I were riding our cycles across the Arizona desert about 18 years ago with walkie talkies. He had his feet on the handle bars steering, while laid back & reading a map. It was then, that he discovered with his feet, & relayed the physics of two wheeling to me.But since that time, I now always use hand pressure for precision manuvering; especially if I have to avoid objects, or to get the cycle in a tight emergency leaning turn, as previously mentioned in the other reply. L.Adamsonedit: with side car or two back wheels, then it's the opposite from just two wheels.

I'm still confused. :) When you said: "Now, did you know.......that pushing right hand on a motorcycle handle bar will make the cycle turn right, which is like an airplane."Are you referring to pushing down on the right handle bar or physically turning it by pushing it forward on the right side of the handle bar? I understand the concept of "camber steer" which you would get by pushing down on the right handle bar but if your physically turning the fork left by pushing the right handle bar forward just like a rudder pedal then I'm lost. :)BTW, when are you going to take your maiden flight in the home-built? It seems like you've been working on that for several years.

As regards motorcycle steering, it's called counter steering and should be understood by anyone that rides. People that do not understand how to steer a bike are the ones that in a tight situation end up going off corners or steering themselves in to objects that they are trying to avoid.Do a Google search for - motorcycle counter steeringhttp://www.totalmotorcycle.com/school-SectionFiveB.htmhttp://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcnews/safe2.htmlhttp://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/countercode.htmlKurt M

>>BTW, when are you going to take your maiden flight in the>home-built? It seems like you've been working on that for>several years.Was going for this spring, but it didn't happen. The plane is essentially done, and only needs a few more hundred dollars worth of parts, not including paint. And that's the question? Paint it before reassembly....... or not?Engine is all plumbed, and panel is all wired. It's nearly ready, but I'm not re-tired & get far too busy workwise, installing A/C units in the summer .......... So I'll realistically go for next spring!L.Adamsonedit: good links Kurt posted. And as far as physically pushing the bar at a resonable speed, you really can't. The gyroscopic forces are very great, and the turn becomes tighter! Which brings up another question.......... which way would the servo move the handle bar in a true two-wheeled radio control cycle? Would it reverse, at a certain point?engine compartment pic below:

Being a graduate of Keith Code's Superbike School many years ago, I still remember this:WARNING: THIS VEHICLE COUNTER-STEERS. IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND COUNTERSTEERING DO NOT RIDE. SEEK THE HELP OF A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL INSTRUCTOR! And I agree with Kurt... any motorcyclist who doesn't understand counter steering is simply an accident statistic waiting to happen.GregP.S. Nice pic of the business end, Larry

>To answer your question, No I don't feel the rudder peddles>"too loose and your feet move all over the place". What I get>with the peddles is what I get with the real Cessna>152,172,182. Both feet on each peddle cancels out the 'loose'>what I get in real life. X and Y Axis sensitivity I have set>to 90 because the brakes would apply at first with just a blow>of air on the peddles. Most import to me was the z axis which>sets the sensitivity of the forward and back movement. I have>that setting set to (sensitivity 70, dead zone 60). So who>ever you talked to needs to adjust his peddles and he'll be a>lot happier. You can't use CH's USB controllers without first>setting them up properly, period. The default settings will>have you frustrated to say the least.>Is this the best settings for other planes also, or just the Cessnas?

>edit: good links Kurt posted. Yea, I read them. It's leaning the bike, pretty much what I assumed. I don't see the correlation to rudder pedal operation though. Good luck with that aircraft. I thought it was white in a picture you showed a year or two ago?

All planes... :-)

Dillon,I loaded the CH Manager controller software based on your suggestions and now every time I turn on my computer I get the new hardware found wizard that proceeds to install the yoke then pedals. Is this normal? I'm using XP Pro if that has any revelancy.

No that's not normal... You might want to go into your 'Windows Device Manager' and delete all your 'Universal Serial Bus Controllers' located at the bottom of the list. Unplug all your USB devices and restart Windows. You'll find once Windows comes back up it will reinstall all your USB Bus controllers. Now proceed to plug back in all your USB devices and all should work as normal. Let me know how it goes... :-)

>Let me know how it goes... :-) Thanks Dillon, I will. I should have added this to my previous post but during the installation of CH Control it found my PS2 style mouse and standard keyboard and identified them as HID compliant devices which they are not. When I look at my hardware through Device Manager I now have two hardware listings each for mouse and keyboard. One is for standard mouse and one is an HID-compliant mouse. Same thing for the keyboard. If I uninstall CH Control the HID compliant mouse and keyboard disappear. Other than this everything seems to work right.

>> I should have added this to my previous post but during the installation of CH Control it found my PS2 style mouse and standard keyboard and identified them as HID compliant devices which they are not. :) The Control Manager has to have it's own keyboard and mouse channels to send keys and mouse moves, so it creates the two additional virtual HID devices to let it do that. They're separate, not your normal keyboard and mouse, and it's all perfectly normal. The Control Manager doesn't touch your regular keyboard or mouse at all.- BobThe StickWorkshttp://www.stickworks.com