In another thread I was asked about a picture I took while on a descent through icing to an Ils.So for you all here is the shot again which highlights the lack of fear in our sim.Only through accurate reproduction of real world hazards especially weather related can we create that challenge of flight, that pit of the stomach fear, that descision making.Fs2006 please be a fully dynamic weather system with all its hazards.This pic pushes the point for Dynamic weather dont you think? ;-)Peterhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/82814.jpg

OMG! :-eekJim

To add a little more "atmosphere" to this icing shot N95D is having a prop blade replaced due to another icing incident.The prop deice failed on the left side meaning that a large chunk of ice was thrown from the one prop right across the aircraft hitting the right engine prop. (Seneca has counter rotating props)The strike to the prop bent the prop end before then being thrown by that prop into the side of the nosecone, damaging the nose before bouncing off the nose, hitting the screen and shattering into a snow shower in the process.how about that in the sim ;-)Peter

Peter, This pic is one that I remember and always will! I have always thought of this pic as a gauge, when this is modeled in FS then we will have it "As Real As It Gets", if it is modeled correctly that is. When FS gets to this level then it will truly be a training tool, I think that all pilots should be ready for a situation like this and what better way to train for it then to have it in the sim. Thanks for posting this pic again! Oh and I doubt that they will ever model de-ice failing on one prop, ice breaking off and hitting another then hitting the nose of the aircraft, it would be cool but not likely! :-) Take care and thanks for all of the great pics over the years!Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

Wow....tbis is a perfect example of why I smile when I read the phrase 'as real as it gets' when referenced to FS. We have a long way to go :)

>The strike to the prop bent the prop end before then being>thrown by that prop into the side of the nosecone, damaging>the nose before bouncing off the nose, hitting the screen and>shattering into a snow shower in the process.>>how about that in the sim ;-)>>PeterI think you are getting "As real as it gets" confused with "As real as I want it to be" All things must be put into perspective. MSFS is an entertainment title pure and simple. Their core user base is not a system failure and weather anomaly dependent audience.Sure, we have all been a part of pushing the envelope and many of us have indeed done this with great success and will continue to do so. But what you are asking in a $50.00 simulator for MS to produce is not what their audience is all about.Can these things be done? Sure they can. And our sister company Flight1 Aviation Technologies is indeed doing things like this and much more advanced, but it again isn

PhilipThanks for the comments but I really used this to explain a gaping hole in our flight simming experience.That is not just icing but having to deal with a dynamic and realistic weather system.If there was no weather with 100 mile visibility flying would be a very easy thing.The thing that makes it challenging is weather, we all know that feeling when flying VFR in a poorly equipt aircraft below terrain tops when that 30 mile visibility drops in front of your eyes.When the visibility now down to 6K is followed by low scud cloud appearing in front of the plane.Now you see the hill tops shrouded in cloud as you strain your eyes to pick up landmarks.Do you carry on in the hope that this weather is localised? do you climb above the SSA? and go IMC? do you turn back?When faced with a visual block of storms without radar you wonder whether that gap is really a gap to clear air or whether you will be enveloped by cloud not knowing whether you are heading into a hell hole.Feeling the plane starting to buck, the clouds getting darker. Again do you carry on or make a 180, You look at the temperature guage! is it near freezing.It is this lack of fear in the sim which doesnt test us Peter

Flight Unlimited III did feature much more complex weather than FS2004. Winds for example, were much better modelled including rising air under clouds, ridge lift, downdrafts and so on (vertical air movement). Also, the systems were much more dynamic than those in FS2004 including true frontal systems. You could literally take off into blue skies and fly into a thunderstorm (without using special "weather themes"). Carb icing was also simulated.

>Flight Unlimited III did feature much more complex weather>than FS2004. Winds for example, were much better modelled>including rising air under clouds, ridge lift, downdrafts and>so on (vertical air movement). Also, the systems were much>more dynamic than those in FS2004 including true frontal>systems. You could literally take off into blue skies and fly>into a thunderstorm (without using special "weather themes").>Carb icing was also simulated.For some reason, I remember the FUIII clouds as being somewhat cartoonish from a distance. Kind of like a bunch of cumulous (spell?), with anvils....................that all looked alike, including dark shading around the outside. Maybe that was version #1, but #2 still looked cartoonish??But then it's been "awhile", since I've used the product...... :-) L.Adamson

peter..hope u took a spare pair of pants. steve

Bill Lyon's Piper Apache will get you into some icing trouble if you're not careful, but it's probably not as scary as Peter's experience was. ;-)

Well the clouds didn't look as good as the FS2004 or even FS2002 ones but there's more to the weather than the shading of the clouds.

Woah!Why are people always so negative when it comes to suggestions? C'mon, MS have actually been ASKING for suggestions. Maybe not everything ends in the sim, but just see how far we've come ... Although I'd have other suggestions :-lol-Daniel

Hrm, that hotplate isn't doing much good, is it?Dan

This reminds me of something my first instructor taught me:"The superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid having to use his superior skills."Unless there was a dying air-evac patient or a human transplant organ in back, me wonders why that guy was flying his putt-putt in icing like that. A Darwin award seeker, perhaps?Food for thoughtBob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Washington, DC