I was just flying PMDG's updated 737-700 and really getting into the features of their FMC. The VC has to be the best ever produced for FS2k4. It's so good that switching from 2D to 3D almost looks the same (you know how 2D panels used to always look a little better than the older VC's). It caused me to thinking back on my hopes for the updated PSS A320 which never happened... Imagine an A320 on the level of PMGD's 737... I'm really hoping the A320 doesn't get forgotten about during FS2k4's hour to shine. I hope someone surprises us and announces a Professional quality A320 is in production. It would be a shame to have Boeing's offering is so much detail and no Airbus released in the same class. The A320 and 737s are awesome jets for those who want to jump in for those 45 minute to 1 hour flights. Here's keeping my hopes up for a truly awesome FS2k4 version of the A318/19/20 family....P.S. SSW really needs to once and for all fix their A310. There's so much potential there. If they can't do it at least make the code open source for the rest of us to finish her up...

I agree. We need a quality Airbus panel. The stuff that's been released so far just doesn't cut it.It's funny, there's been so many attempts to create an Airbus -- and I'm talking about panels -- but all them them fall short. In the end, it's about quality, not quantity. It's a shame Dreamfleet cancelled their A340. That would have been something.Still in search of the perfect Airbus...Thomashttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/87092.jpg

Are you kidding? The iFDG A319, A320 A321 combined with the PSS panel is a great combo!Lee

How is it a great combo? We need to categorize things before we compare them or before we make statements like "it's a great combo!"It's great compared to what? What are your reasons for saying so? How about if we were to compare the PSS panel with one of the established standard-setting panels: i.e., PMDG737, RFPB 747, and 767 PIC?The IFDG model is a great aircraft model, without question. The panel, on the other hand, is a completely different story.Thomas

I would be all over a A320 like Oprah on a baked ham...here's to hoping someone is willing to do one.-Mikkel

And what exactly do find so badly wrong with the PSS A320 panel? By what standard do YOU compare it? You are so quick to pour scorn....why? I'm not doubting the quality of the PMDG 737 series, being a contented user, but I also take a lot of pleasure from flying the PSS Airbus family around too.Just as with the PMDG example, most aircraft systems are fully functional, within the limits of FS9, it looks good, has a decent FMC, and the aircraft handles nicely. I haven't tried combining it with the IFDG airbus yet...maybe in time, as the PSS model, though not as good as the IFDG model, is good enough for now. Also, if claims are true, then the PSS version was developed with assistance from Airbus pilots, so I'm sure that if that is indeed the case, it's not too far from the mark....even read the reviews from here, and reputable flight-sim mags...they all agree that the flight modelling is excellent....so, what is it that you don't like?

...and I have spoken to real world airbus pilots about it. One point I remember was that the descent operations are not good...There pmDG also looks better...I know this isn't really that important...but the uber-sharp guages on the pmDG 737 really look much better...When the PSS guages are englarged fair enough...but in normal panel use they appear quite low in resolution:(I also wish there was a new A320 panel around...higher quality...If only PMDG could do one:(

I think there are mixed messages here. Let me try to clarify, and I hope that this is what the authors of the messages above were trying to say :)PSS A320, which I own, looks good. I am happy with the package in fact. I don't fly it much, but when I do I like it. The reason I don't fly it much is simple: system fidelity. The PSS A320 (and all PSS sims that I have owned), do not include super detailed systems functionality. This is not, as I have said in the past when I have opined on this subject, a fault of the product. Rather, it is my guess that PSS chose to do it this way. I think they are trying to target a market of simmers who want to fly an airliner with more than a button push, but don't have to study manuals for a lot of time to be able to fly the thing. This is certainly fine, and I think PSS never represents there products as anything they aren't.I believe the intent of the posts that have stated that the PSS simulation isn't complete is because, in terms of fidelity, it isn't. I don't believe FBW was implemented correct (and I am not, repeat, not an airbus expert so someone who is could step and correct me, but this is what I have been told, and what I have observed), I have been told the MCDU functionality isn't complete (again, same warning applies). I don't believe the IRU units are simulated even though they are on the overhead with digits, and I think some of the overhead buttons are just decoration. So, for simmers, like myself, that want a complete A320 airbus fidelity sim, there is none on the market right now. Actually, I lie, there is one: A320PIC. But lets not go there ;)

Your spot on Fred with what I was trying to say above... Thanks...

Believe these guys are working on a new A320 panel. http://www.simsoftworkshop.com/. Understand they have a faily good A319 panel. Dave Vega

Dillon your post is typical of banner waving PMDG fanatics in that you are knocking PSS for no reason at all. There are many people who are satisfied with the very good products that PSS produce.Have you tried the Vulcan or is that too complicated.

John's, I don't want to go to far into this so I'll just make a comment here and be done with it.First of all I've owned the PSS A320 since it was first released back in early 2002. It was the first add-on of it's type to be released for FS2k2 (awesome 2D panel, VC, etc.). This aircraft actually paved the way for where we are today.Fast forward to January of 2004 where everyone is now upgrading their products to work with FS2k4. Everyone from CaptainSim to Eaglesoft has fully upgraded their models to work with FS2k4. Most of all their VC's have been updated to take advantage of FS2k4's latest options. PSS on the other had has all but ditched their previous work in favor of releasing their A330/340. Everyone including myself was looking forward to the 777/747/Dash8/Vulcan/A320 serious receiving the attention that companies like FSD, RFP, and the like have put into their older models. It didn't happen.....Now we're left with a mild update that doesn't even compare to the work every other developer has done to their design's, but hey that's PSS's choice right... I for one have never been able to get the A320 to land manually in FS2k4. As soon as I turn off the autopilot for a manual landing all control input is lost. ILS landings are fine but manual landings after a long flight ends in a crash. I tried everything from reinstalling the aircraft multiple times to going over the

>Dillon your post is typical of banner waving PMDG fanatics in>that you are knocking PSS for no reason at all. There are many>people who are satisfied with the very good products that PSS>produce.Have you tried the Vulcan or is that too complicated.And I agree here.The PSS 320 is "old" and has been on PSS's backburner for several years, along with the 747, etc. They were very enjoyable & worth the money for their time. But to harass PSS for updates to get in line with the latest PMDG offerings, is just an attempt to get something "new" for little or nothing!Yes, I DO think some simmers are extremely "cheap" and I don't mind saying so! I tend to remember the satisifaction & enjoyment a developer has given me in the past, instead of spewing out threats.............if I don't get what I want now, or in the future.....L.Adamson

>Dillon your post is typical of banner waving PMDG fanatics in>that you are knocking PSS for no reason at all. There are many>people who are satisfied with the very good products that PSS>produce.Have you tried the Vulcan or is that too complicated.Sir, did you actually read everything in this post? I think Dillon is raising some very valid points. Perhaps that is too complicated for you?

Dillon,I think you are being very unfair to PSS here.I remember when FS2002 was released there was a huge outcry for the favourite FS2000 addons to be updated for FS2002 compatibility, and we've seen exactly the same thing happen for FS2004.These developers are under absolutely no obligation to upgrade their prodcucts to support all the bells and whistles featured in the latest version of FS. If that were the case we would all still be flying rehashed versions of old FS98 aircraft!There are times when an upgrade may be in the developers interest, it means they can continue to market their product for the latest version of FS, and it also earns the loyalty of their customers. However, there are times when it may not be good business sense to make a free upgrade a product for the latest version. There may be too much work to be done for little or no return.As for PSS giving poor support and not listening to their customers, well if that were the case I don't think they would have been around for so long. Sure their aircraft have been released buggy in the past, but they've always come through with patches and support for them, and whenever I've needed one on one support they've always been very prompt with good assistance.Remember when they released the A320 everyone was saying "Do and A330! Do an A330!" Well they did (albeit after a while). Doesn't sound like a company who ignores their customers....Yes I agree the PSS A320 is not up to the standard of the latest FS2004 addons, but it is over 2 years old. I would love to see a fully detailed A320 addon for FS2004, but all the big developers currently have other projects on the go. Just be patient, fly some of the other great aircraft that are available and I'm sure someone will come up with a nice new A320 sometime in the not too distant future.I bet when FS2006 comes along there will be people on this forum beating at PMDG's door for them to drop whatever they are doing and make a free upgrade for the 737NG to support whatever new features are in FS2006......