This is what I mean:

 

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3619/capturemvo.jpg

As far as i found out, in DX10 this graphic card generation can't be forced to use any other AA-settings (not AA nor SGSSAA) than default.

(The main reason why i switched to a gtx660...)

Easy to test, just set and watch (especially shimmering of trees and some cockpitlines).

 

But according to your posted picture it seems to me, that this effect might be related to something else than AA.

If you are lucky, playing with brightnes/contrast/alphachannel of your monitor helps.

guess you harvested the pmdg-forum?? good luck.

I just tried to see if I could see the white dots in the instrument displays as shown in the image but could not. I went into the FMC and looked at the PMDG Setup and there are no switches that could possibly make this happen. The panel instrument lights are behind the steering column or yoke. Hit the top of the column and it will lower so you can see them better. Each switch has two adjustments. The bottom one will lighten or darken your instrument display. Try adjusting these until the displays turn black. Your monitor may be too bright too. For instance I have a primary and secondary monitor. On my primary display I took your image and could not see any of the white dots and the glass looked dark as it should be. But when I pulled the image over to the secondary monitor (which is brighter), the dots appeared. You can also play with your Gamma setting to make the screen darker/lighter.

 

I started up FSX and tried lightening the display on the PMDG 737NGX. I did not see those white dots and the instrument display background looks black even when I pull it over to my secondary monitor so I think you need to adjust the lighting for your display monitor and maybe those switches behind the steering column/yoke too.

 

Hope you got DX10 Shader fix installed. From our discussions you did not have it installed as nothing was changed in the ShaderHLSL folder. You had the default DX10 w/o any fixes enabled and maybe the default did that to your instrument displays.

 

Best regards,

Jim

 

Best regards,

Jim

Yes Jim I think you are right.

 

Probably the problem is related to brightness of monitor and maybe when I apply 8xSQ into Nvidia Inspector (using DX9) this filter delete the problem and screens are like should be.

 

I must test to play with brightness w/o appling 8xSQ and see if something happens.

 

However, if brightness monitor weren't the cause of this problem the unique way to solve it is to apply 8xSQ inside Inpector. And that's the matte! DX9 works fine with Inspector and 8xSQ, instead with DX10 I can't apply this filter.

 

You are right, I'm quite sure I didn't apply shader fix, my ShadeHLSL folder is the same of Stock version you suggested me, no one file changed! And again I remember that after launching shader setup.bat file, I didn't obtained no one prompt that tell me if I want to delete Shade10 folder, sign of a correct intallation, exact?

Jim you are GREAT!!!! I just play with panel instrument lights are behind the steering column, as you said me.

 

Look at difference with ND (adjusted) and EICAS (default):

 

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4533/newcapture.jpg

 

I'm happy!!!!

 

Now I have to solve how to apply a better AA with DX10!

That's great my suggestion worked. 

 

Again, as suggested, just set NI or the Nvidia display driver settings to the default by pushing the green icon in the menu and turn AA/AF on in FSX.  Go fly!  You should see almost perfect AA.  Here's an example from one of my flights -

 

 

 

On this one you might see a little AA jaggies on the wing but barely.

 

 

Now you need to know that I set my Texture_Max_Load in FSX.cfg (under Graphics) to 4096 (HD).  FPS are limited to 40 these are my Terrain settings in the fsx.cfg:

 

[TERRAIN]
LOD_RADIUS=4.500000
MESH_COMPLEXITY=100
MESH_RESOLUTION=23
TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=27
AUTOGEN_DENSITY=2
DETAIL_TEXTURE=1
WATER_EFFECTS=5  (should never ever be above 5)
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_TREES_PER_CELL=1000       (these are needed to reduce the load on your system if you have Autogen turned on).
TERRAIN_MAX_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS_PER_CELL=800

 

So, hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

Jim

Hi Jim, thanks a lot for your suggestion. I applied default NI setting and AA/AF in FSX. The result was good, imho almost the same as DX9. This evening I'll post here some screenshots (now I'm unable to do it because not at home).

 

Regarding PFD, ND and EICAS problem I noted that this issue is visible when you watch from up to down (normal default pilot position), as if the incident light would create this effect, but by moving in front of displays and looking them the problem quite disappears, also if I popup 2D display the screens are perfect. Any ideas?

 

This time setup.bat did its work, ShadeHLSL modified perfectly. I installed also SweetFX 1.4 but don't see similar effect like ENBseries for DX9.

 

See you later Jim.

 

EDIT: looking the first screen I posted (that with dots and lines) with my ipad I can't see the problem, as you with your first monitor. Yesdterday I played with brightness w/o success.

 

I applied default NI setting and AA/AF in FSX. The result was good, imho almost the same as DX9.

 

Now you know that something works well.  Now you can play with the NI settings if you want.  Here are my current settings (I'm playing with the settings all of the time! LOL!):

 

 

Glad you were able to get Steve's Shader fix finally installed.  Remember to delete the Shader10 folder.  You can delete that as often as you want.  It is always rebuilt when you run DX10 again.  I know nothing, absolutely nothing, about SweetFX.  PaulJ, who is the DX10 guru here, says it works with DX10 and it should work exactly with the same settings you would use for DX9.  I have plenty of eye-candy w/o it.  Plus I have seen a couple of CTD's in the CTD forum caused by SweetFX.  Anytime you hack a DirectX file, I think you are playing with fire. 

 

Regarding the PFD, ND, and EICAS problem - remember that with DX10 enabled, you will see sunlight and shadows inside the VC so your instrument panels will be brighter in some instances or will show some reflections (just be sure that you have aircraft casts shadows on itself under the Aircraft tab in the fsx settings page).  I never use 2d displays but it is my understand that, in 2d displays, you will not see this effect.

 

Best regards,

Jim

Great to hear your display problem was solved.

 

Regarding your tests for better AA by using NI please report your results, should be usefull for other gtx275 users.

Although i doubt AA-settings in NI will have any effect on this card in DX10, maybe you find some solution.

 

JIm, from your settings i see you just enabled 4*S AA, no transparency SS (SGSSAA).

Comparing your screenshots with my settings i see, that i have/had the same AA quality with no AA setting in NI at all, just the one in fsx enabled.

The difference i see on my rig, is only in the shimmering trees and some cockpit instruments (especially white lines) - which cant be seen in (your) screenshots.

The only way i could nearly comletely eliminate that, was to use 8*SGSSAA in NI plus "8/8" in fsx.cfg.

 

Thanks

Ralf

So, you guys can see any improvements in eliminate shimmering in dx10 using the NI AA filters?

I would like to try these dx10, and I would like to know if the settings in NI have some effects in dx10 mode!

does the use of sweetfx is mandatory?

 

you can see my specs under my avatar!

DX10 with this magnificent shaderfix, as described in other posts is a great improvement in quality and performance.

By far the best i've seen in all those years...

 

With your cpu and gpu you can easily activate hight AA-settings (AA enabled in fsx, 8*SGSSAA by NI and 8/8 in fsx.cfg) which will outperform dx9 in quality and performance.

 

Just try it, nothing to loose everything to win...

Hi guys, sure I'll post my seeting and screenshots, but not now, I hope tomorrow, because I got influenced and got high fever, saturday night fever :-) i can't stay in front of my pc, I need to go bed. I'm very sorry.

 

See you tomorrow!

 

Ric

 

Regarding your tests for better AA by using NI please report your results, should be usefull for other gtx275 users.

Although i doubt AA-settings in NI will have any effect on this card in DX10, maybe you find some solution.

 

As I mentioned earlier I'm constantly changing NI settings looking for that 'holy grail' of NI settings.  Here is my most recent:

 

 

I use mostly MSE V2 scenery and Orbx PNW stuff so I'm trying out some of the settings recommended by PCAviator.  Haven't had a chance to fully test it out but might be more in line with your suggestions.  I have a lot of other things on my plate so I can't really get too involved in testing.  That has already been done here by several more qualified than me, including PaulJ (PJ).  Paul has done a great job documenting some excellent settings that should work with any modern video card in the How To and his excellent AVSIM Software and Hardware Guide.  But, I am also satisfied with my MSE screens with NI set to the FSX default.  The difference to me is miniscule.

 

Best regards,

Jim

Hi guys, sure I'll post my seeting and screenshots, but not now, I hope tomorrow, because I got influenced and got high fever, saturday night fever :-) i can't stay in front of my pc, I need to go bed. I'm very sorry. See you tomorrow! Ric

 

Get well Riccardo!

 

Best regards,

Jim

DX10 with this magnificent shaderfix, as described in other posts is a great improvement in quality and performance.

By far the best i've seen in all those years...

 

With your cpu and gpu you can easily activate hight AA-settings (AA enabled in fsx, 8*SGSSAA by NI and 8/8 in fsx.cfg) which will outperform dx9 in quality and performance.

 

Just try it, nothing to loose everything to win...

 

 

I'm really curious!!

tomorrow when I get home...I'll try definetly the dx10 mode finally...and report back!

its Sad to say goodbye to global AI traffic...I think that not all the liveries and planes are dx10 compatible! 

 

I think that not all the liveries and planes are dx10 compatible!

 

But the Addon_Converter_X might fix some of those incompatibilities.  It has a 10 minute demo period so you could at least check it before buying.

 

Best regards,

Jim