As most of them never started blowing anything up, it would be rather hard for them to stop, no?

 

You should try getting to know some Muslims, and you'll find out that they're people just like you. All the ones I know certainly are, and to the best of my knowledge have never blown anything up, despite a couple of them working in our chemistry lab .

 

Thanks for that John-Allen, Comments like Amer has said are ridiculous with no truth and no place for that sort of thing around here.

 

If you ask me who can't stop blowing things up my answer would be the Mythbusters and.....well.....rednecks can't stop blowing things up either:

 

 

 

Comments like Amer has said are ridiculous with no truth and no place for that sort of thing around here.

That is absolutely right. It's outta here!

I should have re-read my post before publishing..

I'm Muslim myself and I mean't the extremists like Dzahakor, Tamerlane, Bin Laden, etc.

Wow. Why Canada? They're so nice...

 

This is so stupid. 

we're not that nice :diablo:    :crazy:  :ph34r:  :Big Grin: :lol:

 

That is absolutely right. It's outta here!

beautiful dog Stephen (your profile pic)

I have heard it postulated from some very influential people that there is no use denying that the Moslem community, and only the Moslem community, is generating the vast majority of these particular suicidal types of extremists within their ranks. Therefore, it is asserted, the slaughter of the rest of us won't stop until the Moslem community forces it to stop, by taking forceful internal action to stop it. That part of the equation is pretty much true, and difficult to argue with coming from victims, their families, and their countrymen that have had enough.

However, the Moslems can't just make it stop, because the Islamic communities, like all others, including Judaism, Christianity, and even singular divisions like Catholicism consists of a vast variety of different types and subtypes, often in conflict opposed to each other specifically and to most non-Moslems in general. None are solitary integrated command and control units (except the terrorists among them) nor so monolithic whereas one problem comes from all,and one solution fits all. Most Moslems are innocent of any of wrongdoing and are as pure in intent as the driven snow.

However, political correctness aside, there is no use avoiding the obvious that the Baptist young peoples groups are not likely plotting mass murder against Pentecostals or the Buddhists, or the extreme Islamic militants. Neither are any other religious entities promoting jihad violence, although the IRA once did until a combination of displeasure from Rome, and compromise from the forces of protestants have put most of that to bed. The future does not look that rosy from the present non Moslem end, I assure you.

We can hire more cops, inspectors, peeping Toms and bribing those who will take our money, but actually there is little we can do, but to try and not make it worse, by spreading innuendo, insult and exercising indiscriminate suspicion. However the problem is not ours to fix, as it an Islamic issue. Only they can enforce peaceful interactions among their own people with the rest of us.. All we can do is to arrest radicals when we find out who they are, usually the hard way. Either the Moslems have got to gain control of their own people in order to protect their neighbors and fellow citizens, or a full out push back will come out of necessity for survival, I am afraid.

Just rambling, no anger (at the moment), but very concerned.

Kind regards,

PS: There are always exceptions to every rule and no statement is correct in itself.

Stephen, excuse me, why was my post responding to "Why muslims just stop blow up.." deleted? is it because mine didn't meet your "standard" where the stimultant did?

Stephen, excuse me, why was my post responding to "Why muslims just stop blow up.." deleted? is it because mine didn't meet your "standard" where the stimultant did?

 

 

 

For the same reason this was posted at the beginning of the thread on the Boston Bombings.

 

Quote:

 

There was a wonderful thread started earlier on this subject, but when middle eastern resentments surfaced and it rightfully became a bone of contention, it was removed. It was so corrupted that there was really little option except to take it down.

 

However, it would not be right for this community not to express its feelings and horror about this act of terror, no matter the origin or misguided aims of the murderers. I think that it would be wrong for any anti-US belligerent to make us take the subject off the table so here is a new thread for those who need to express their grief, sorrow, and condolences.

 

Warning:

 

Do not bring any anti-US or its allies agenda to this topic or forum, or we will ban you immediately without any other warning, remedy or regret.

 

Unquote

 

Same applies here in this thread or any other on AVSIM. We are not neutral between our people and religious or political causes that use bombs to blow up our civilians, nor do we pretend to be. I am not, nor are we at AVSIM the slightest bit interested in airing the laundry list of grievances and and semi-reasons why there is any justification, explanation or sympathy to the enemies of our societies or countries, or those of our allies. That stopped with 8 year old Martin Richard.

 

Any more such posts like that one will result in your loss of ability to post here in these topics.

 

Kind regards,

Amer Lawand, on 23 Apr 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

Can Muslims just stop blowing up stuff?

 

Stephen, What have you done about the post? Simple question, dont get me wrong, I love reading Sartre's thick crap so i dont mind reading your long answer. Although a concrete action would be great?

Although a concrete action would be great?

 

What? You want his blood? Forget it, there has been enough of that, and your post was out of order just as much or more than his.

 

Do not drag in international politics. This thread is about acts of terror, people plotting and carrying out acts of violence in our communities. The use of terror shuts down any right to bring up grievances by, or on behalf of, individuals or communities that such acts spring from.

 

Women and children getting blown up does not purchase any opportunity for an underlying exchange of ideas that might be otherwise welcomed in a different context. There is no linkage possible of political action or debate promoted by tactics of terror, ever.

 

The thread warning posted above is in full force and effect. Your contribution in this thread so far, especially in the removed post has you in violation of these principles. Obviously you are irritated, and according to that post, irritating in the extreme.  

 

You have said your piece and made your point, although no one else can read it and you cannot post again in this thread as a result. If you post similiar content elsewhere in AVSIM, further measures will be taken.

 

Kind regards,

I have heard it postulated from some very influential people that there is no use denying that the Moslem community, and only the Moslem community, is generating the vast majority of these particular suicidal types of extremists within their ranks. Therefore, it is asserted, the slaughter of the rest of us won't stop until the Moslem community forces it to stop, by taking forceful internal action to stop it. That part of the equation is pretty much true, and difficult to argue with coming from victims, their families, and their countrymen that have had enough.

 

However, the Moslems can't just make it stop, because the Islamic communities, like all others, including Judaism, Christianity, and even singular divisions like Catholicism consists of a vast variety of different types and subtypes, often in conflict opposed to each other specifically and to most non-Moslems in general. None are solitary integrated command and control units (except the terrorists among them) nor so monolithic whereas one problem comes from all,and one solution fits all. Most Moslems are innocent of any of wrongdoing and are as pure in intent as the driven snow.

 

However, political correctness aside, there is no use avoiding the obvious that the Baptist young peoples groups are not likely plotting mass murder against Pentecostals or the Buddhists, or the extreme Islamic militants. Neither are any other religious entities promoting jihad violence, although the IRA once did until a combination of displeasure from Rome, and compromise from the forces of protestants have put most of that to bed. The future does not look that rosy from the present non Moslem end, I assure you.

 

We can hire more cops, inspectors, peeping Toms and bribing those who will take our money, but actually there is little we can do, but to try and not make it worse, by spreading innuendo, insult and exercising indiscriminate suspicion. However the problem is not ours to fix, as it an Islamic issue. Only they can enforce peaceful interactions among their own people with the rest of us.. All we can do is to arrest radicals when we find out who they are, usually the hard way. Either the Moslems have got to gain control of their own people in order to protect their neighbors and fellow citizens, or a full out push back will come out of necessity for survival, I am afraid.

 

Just rambling, no anger (at the moment), but very concerned.

 

Kind regards,

 

PS: There are always exceptions to every rule and no statement is correct in itself.

 

According to the US State Department's National Counterterrorism Center's latest report:

"In cases where the religious affiliation of terrorism casualties could be determined, Muslims suffered between 82 and 97 percent of terrorism-related fatalities over the past five years." (http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195555.htm , accessed 24-04-2013). So talking about some Muslims 'slaughtering the rest of us' is a bit disingenuous.

 

The number of US citizens killed by falling is two times as high as the number of people killed by terrorists world wide.

In 2010, 718 US citizens died of 'fall involving bed' according to the CDC WONDER database. The number of US citizens killed by terrorists in the same year was 15 (according to the US State Department [http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2010/170267.htm, accessed 24-04-2013]). I.e. in 2010 as an American you were 47 times more likely to be killed by your own bed, than by a terrorist (Muslim or otherwise). Obviously we shouldn't relax our vigilance, but I think we don't need any 'push back out of necessity of survival' just yet.

 

Incidentally according to State Department report cited earlier Sunni extremists were responsible for 56% of attacks and 70% of deaths in 2011, which indeed qualifies as a vast majority if you go by deaths and not attacks. However it should also be mentioned that the next largest group was 'Secular, political, and anarchist groups' with 22% of attacks and and 15% of deaths.

 

Terrorism is resorted to by people of all manner of race, creed, and political ideology, so let's place the blame where it belongs: on those despicable individuals who decide that the slaughter of innocents is an acceptable means of advancing their agenda, which it categorically never is, no matter what the agenda may be.

Ran it's course with misunderstanding rising...sigh. Closed