May 11, 201313 yr If you guys don't do dawn flights you're really missing something. To me, FSX looks more real in the early morning than the rest of the day and it looks awesome. I thought I'd share some caps from my dawn KSBA to KAPC and, at the same time, show some freeware scenery I found for Santa Barbara which is *close* to on par with payware (it has duplicated taxi/runway signs and a bit of flickering on the main terminal but I absolutely adore it.) I may fix those taxiway signs at some point. If you want the scenery for KSBA go to flightsim.com and search sceneries for KSBA: fsx_ksba.zip sba08hrx.zip I also downloaded one of the Al Wheeler files...not sure which one. There is some overlapping airport stuff which is why the duplicate signs. Ok...here are the shots (they're big and undoctored). I took a number so you could see KSBA and others just to show the morning... Ready to go...view from the tower... Departure... Sun's up! Here you can get an idea of how large the area covers. Note that the photo layer doesn't quite make it to the tops of the mountains but that's ok. View out the right side... Turning to join the SID. Probably the best view of the size of the area... Turning north to Napa... Gray morning over Vandenberg. REX clouds rendered with Active Sky... Morning haze. Boring shot but that's what it looks like.. Passing the Golden Gate. San Francisco being San Francisco... Approaching Napa. Bluesky scenery on the left. FSX on the right... Landing at Napa. Welcome to wine country... Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 11, 201313 yr Gregg, Nice. As for the scenery, can you clear up some confusion for me? Looks like one of the files you're referencing is landclass and the other photo for the specific area. I thought the newer Blue Sky "Chiliview" superceded this older photo from Gottfried Razek, and does the landclass somehow work with photo? Are you using this with Blue Sky or default FSX? Thanks for any clarification, as this looks interesting. Scott
May 11, 201313 yr Author Nice. As for the scenery, can you clear up some confusion for me? Looks like one of the files you're referencing is landclass and the other photo for the specific area. I thought the newer Blue Sky "Chiliview" superceded this older photo from Gottfried Razek, and does the landclass somehow work with photo? Are you using this with Blue Sky or default FSX? The lighter area all around the airport is photoreal and, as I think you noticed, from Gottfried as well. During the day it looks quite a bit like MegaScenerryX SoCal. The colors and resolution seem about the same. I had the larger Chiliview of the area months back but ended up taking it off. I'd had the old one too but couldn't really see any difference. Down in the southern part of the California stuff, the colors look saturated. A fair amount of his northern stuff is really nice. I'll load up the sim and take a couple of daytime photos so you can get a sense for it. Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 11, 201313 yr Author Here are four daytime pics. The first two are at 3000 and the second two at 5500. I don't think the resolution is *quite* Megascenery Socal but it's close. 3000... also 3000... And at 5000. Note the landclass on the edge of the first. Also 5000... Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 12, 201313 yr Looks nice. As always, things get complicated, though. I do like the more muted colors of these older tiles, but I wasn't sure I wanted a mosaic of default and photo in the surrounding area so... I decided to see if this would work with the newer Chiliview stuff, and I ran into problems. If I leave the corrected Blue Sky KSBA bgl in, then I get duplicate buildings, 2 towers and so on. If I disable that, then things don't line up quite right with my photo stuff, and I still get a bunch of duplicated taxi signs. It is nice to see trees, signs and all of that surrounding the airport, though and this looks really nice, I just don't think I can make it work without some major changes in how I've got things in the area. Thanks for the extra look at the area - you're right, this looks more like the colors of MSX SoCal,which I prefer. Something to think about... Scott
May 12, 201313 yr Author Scott, If I knew for sure which things you have installed, I might be able to fix this by placing exclusion zones. I was planning to do it for myself anyway. By the way, I was thinking the same as you...the landclass all around it. But then I also got to thinking about it as just an extenstion of Megascenery Socal. Certainly would be nice to find some similar photoreal for Point Mugu west to this. But then I'd want moar and moar and moar... I have found some nice images of Ventura County. If I knew how to convert them...sigh. Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 13, 201313 yr Gregg, I think the only thing that's conflicting is the corrected airport info from Blue Sky. Many of the newer Chiliview areas include airport updates. In this case, the file in question is KSBA_ADEX.bgl. With it, everything lines up and matches the underlying photo nicely. Without it, there are some obvious glitches. Sorry, but when it comes to the area of scenery and airport design, I'm woefully ignorant. Scott
May 13, 201313 yr Author Let me take a look. Instant Scenery might be able to create exclusion zones to get rid of the wrong stuff. Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 13, 201313 yr Scott, Do you have another version of SBA intalled besides our AFCAD? That would explain the double buildings etc. You should disable the other version. --------------------------- Blue Skies, Gottfried www.blueskyscenery.com
May 13, 201313 yr Author Do you have another version of SBA intalled besides our AFCAD? That would explain the double buildings etc. You should disable the other version. Hi Gottfried, Scott and I both ended up with the same issue. Not sure, yet, where the duplicate stuff is coming from. BTW, absolutely stunning KSBA photoreal we got from you from flightsim.com. Wish you could find a whole lot more of that. Gregg Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 13, 201313 yr Great shots! If you weren't using photoreal scenery for Napa, next time you fly to the area please feel free to use my landclass for Napa and Sonoma counties. It's found here (it's in the FS2004 library but also works in FSX): http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004scen&DLID=155967 Regards, John
May 13, 201313 yr Do you have another version of SBA intalled besides our AFCAD? That would explain the double buildings etc. You should disable the other version. Hi Gottfied, It may not be clear due to the way the discussion evolved, but I have no problems whatsoever with your modified KSBA. It works fine on its own. It was when I tried to integrate the files Gregg was recommending in his original post from: fsx_ksba.zip that the dupes showed up for me - the two are obviously at odds with each other. Gregg's issue is a bit different from mine as he's using your older Santa Barbara area scenery again as referenced in the original post. Thanks, Scott
May 13, 201313 yr Author Great shots! If you weren't using photoreal scenery for Napa, next time you fly to the area please feel free to use my landclass for Napa and Sonoma counties. It's found here (it's in the FS2004 library but also works in FSX): http://library.avsim.net/esearch.php?CatID=fs2004scen&DLID=155967 Regards, John Really nice. Gregg's issue is a bit different from mine as he's using your older Santa Barbara area scenery again as referenced in the original post. Well, I'm using: --fsx_ksba.zip --sba08hrx.zip --an Al Wheeler version of KSBA. I'm going to install it all on my dev machine and see if I can figure out where the dups are coming from. Gregg Seipp "A good landing is when you can walk away from the airplane. A great landing is when you can reuse it." i9 64GB RAM, GTX-5090
May 13, 201313 yr Well, I'm using:--fsx_ksba.zip--sba08hrx.zip--an Al Wheeler version of KSBA. Gregg, FYI even when I disabled my Blue Sky KSBA and just used fsx_ksba, I still had duped taxiway signage. I do not have the Al Wheeler add-on. If I turned off Blue Sky for that area, I still have UTX, which would also have to be shut off to use the Al Wheeler files. Hope you can get things figured out. Scott
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