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When to turn FTX regions on and off?

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Can someone please confirm when is the correct time to turn FTX regions on and off? My understanding is that if your flight involves flying over any region you have installed, they should be ON, otherwise they should be off.

 

So for example if I own England and Australia:

 

Heathrow to Amsterdam - England ON Australia OFF

 

Sydney to Delhi - England OFF Australia ON

 

Sydney to Heathrow - England ON Australia ON

 

Munich to Geneva - England OFF Australia OFF

 

Is this correct?

 

Thanks

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You can't open both of them on same time and when you fly outside of a FTX region, you mostly see wrong mesh in other places. There is a product named FTX Global is coming next month and it covers the whole world so you won't have to switch everytime you want to fly.

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FTX Global isn't going to fix these issues. The later product which features landclass is meant to get us rid of the control panel thing.

 

Hope so, the current situation is ridiculous.

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So if you had England and Australia and wanted to fly between the two, you would have to have England turned on for the departure and then switch over to Australia for the arrival, is that what you mean?

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Basically, yes. I've been dwelling through ORBX forums but i didn't find yet a clear topic of what they are going to do with that situation. I just remember reading they are going to fix it (which will be awesome) i just don't know how.

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I have the Orbx North America suite, and have not seen anything detrimental when I fly outside their coverage with FTX enabled. In fact, things seem to be better looking, although I admit I have not done an A/B comparison for validation. 

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Ok thanks. Just so I can ensure I'm doing things right...if I fly say from Belgium to Germany, should I have ORBX England turned OFF?

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I have the Orbx North America suite, and have not seen anything detrimental when I fly outside their coverage with FTX enabled. In fact, things seem to be better looking, although I admit I have not done an A/B comparison for validation. 

 

These incompatibilities seem to plague EN only. I don't have the scenery so i've only witnessed mesh/landclass issues at a friend's house. I usually leave AU and NA active all the time (i managed to activate both at the same time) and have no issues whatsoever when flying in and out of them.

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I have the Orbx North America suite, and have not seen anything detrimental when I fly outside their coverage with FTX enabled. In fact, things seem to be better looking, although I admit I have not done an A/B comparison for validation.

Yes my situation is very similar. I only have England presently and have flown around Western Europe and never noticed anything strange in other countries as a result of it being enabled. But as you say I have not done any A vs B comparisons to play spot the difference.

 

The reason I ask was I'm considering getting the Australia terrain and wasn't sure if this would have any effect with having two of their products, and whether I'd have to be constantly switching them on and off depending on whether I wanted to fly around Europe or Australia.

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Hmmmm I enabled ORBX England and I've flown in Germany yesterday, I get blurries aaaaal the way. Or better to say, ground textures were not loading at all. Over England everything was perfect, and I get better fps than over Germany with UTX!

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I don't think you can start the Orbx control panel while fsx is running. So if you have Orbx Australia and PNW you would choose whether you want Orbx for your departure or for your arrival. 

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1. You can't have more then one FTX region enabled at once. Before you start FSX you have to decide which region you want to enable or if you want to use FSX default scenery.

2. You can't switch FTX regions on and/or off during a flight. You would have to save the flight, quit FSX, switch regions, start FSX and load the flight again.

3. Some people report problems when flying above none-FTX regions while an FTX region is enabled. Some (most?) don't.

4. The upcoming FTX Global will be (at least out of the box) incompatible with FTX regions (so when you use FTX Global, you won't be able to use any FTX region at all). Obviously (one might say) this will be corrected in the future...

5. That correction in the future might make all off the above obsolete, which is something EVERYONE would be happy with.

So for now...

1. if you fly in and out of an FTX region, enable the region so at least you get pretty scenery above that region. Usually the default FSX regions won't look too odd.

2. If you don't fly above an FTX region, enable FSX default.

3. If you fly from one FTX region to another (that would be US, Europe or down under), you have to choose which one you want to enable. Unless you don't mind saving a flight and quitting FSX in the middle of a flight.

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1. You can't have more then one FTX region enabled at once. Before you start FSX you have to decide which region you want to enable or if you want to use FSX default scenery.

 

2. You can't switch FTX regions on and/or off during a flight. You would have to save the flight, quit FSX, switch regions, start FSX and load the flight again.

 

3. Some people report problems when flying above none-FTX regions while an FTX region is enabled. Some (most?) don't.

 

4. The upcoming FTX Global will be (at least out of the box) incompatible with FTX regions (so when you use FTX Global, you won't be able to use any FTX region at all). Obviously (one might say) this will be corrected in the future...

 

5. That correction in the future might make all off the above obsolete, which is something EVERYONE would be happy with.

 

So for now...

 

1. if you fly in and out of an FTX region, enable the region so at least you get pretty scenery above that region. Usually the default FSX regions won't look too odd.

 

2. If you don't fly above an FTX region, enable FSX default.

 

3. If you fly from one FTX region to another (that would be US, Europe or down under), you have to choose which one you want to enable. Unless you don't mind saving a flight and quitting FSX in the middle of a flight.

 

This is troubling. So if I buy FTX Global and want to fly from Germany to England ( I own ORBX England ) I either have to have default FSX Germany textures or FTX Global England textures (therefore making my FTX England worthless) UNLESS i want to quit FSX mid-flight?

 

That's a big let down. I was of the impression that if I had FTX Global as well as FTX England, when flying over England the "better" FTX England product would be used and over regions where I have no additional FTX product, the FTX Global textures would be there.

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4. The upcoming FTX Global will be (at least out of the box) incompatible with FTX regions (so when you use FTX Global, you won't be able to use any FTX region at all). Obviously (one might say) this will be corrected in the future...

JV never said that the regions would not work with FTX Global. What might not be ready is the ability to enable all the regions at the same time. This fix could be ready by the 6/15, but JV did not guarantee it.

 

As for enabling the regions, I only enable the regions when flying in the regions.

 

Here's what JV wrote:

 

"8. Right now when FTX Global is installed, it replaces the FSX Default and you switch to it using FTX Central. This means that until we solve technical issues around lclookup.bgl and other files, FTX Global is not seamlessly compatible with our FTX Central regions of North America, Oceania and Europe - however that is how it works right now in the alpha build but we will work very hard to remove the need to switch regions before release. If we can't solve that problem at the release, it will be done shortly after. It is in our interest, our customers' interest and other developers' interest to remove all incompatibilities but it's not a trivial task."

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Hm, when I read that, I read 'You have to use FTX Central to enable FTX Global and since the Central only allows one option to be active, you can't use regions together with Global...' If this was otherwise JV wouldn't make such a big point of solving this apparently difficult problem...

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Basically, yes. I've been dwelling through ORBX forums but i didn't find yet a clear topic of what they are going to do with that situation. I just remember reading they are going to fix it (which will be awesome) i just don't know how.

 

 

Am I wrong? I believe you have to shut down FSX before you can open the Orbx control panel.  So how would you turn anything off or on in mid-flight?

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All,

 

If you know how the FSX scenery.cfg file works, you can have multiple ORBX regions enabled at the same time. In fact, I have all the regions installed and they are all active everytime I use FSX.

 

The key is not to use the ORBX utilities. Once you do that, you are back to one area per session.

 

In fact, ORBX creates a backup file that has all the areas you have installed active. Again you just need to know how to modify your active scenery.cfg file.

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....and breathe folks!!

According to JV's response in the FTX forums of less than an hour ago (to ba757's question over there re Global and FTX regions)......it appears that they may have solved the issue already and have Global AND their regions running together!!

 

http://www.orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/58801-ftx-global-update-may-2013/

 

 

It works in the alpha build right now Martin. We can have England and Global active at the same time and it all works fine. In fact, I have all FTX regions active at once and don't need to switch. But I do it by fooling FTX Central by setting it to Default then running ORBX\Scripts\ftxconfigurator.exe

So we need to make code changes to FTX Central to allow all regions active and also create a standard lclookup.bgl which all regions can share.


Kudos if they've nailed this issue (although to be fair....it was an issue of their own making!!)

Regards

Steve

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This is excellent news if they have sorted the issues out, great stuff. Credit card at the ready!

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All,

 

If you know how the FSX scenery.cfg file works, you can have multiple ORBX regions enabled at the same time. In fact, I have all the regions installed and they are all active everytime I use FSX.

 

The key is not to use the ORBX utilities. Once you do that, you are back to one area per session.

 

In fact, ORBX creates a backup file that has all the areas you have installed active. Again you just need to know how to modify your active scenery.cfg file.

 

Jim, would you mind emailing the solution through to Orbx! :lol: ....... I don't use any Orbx products any more, not because there's anything wrong with them visually, but because the "FTX Central" and switching is a massive pain in the arm, and totally screws up 'inter-region' flying, (as well as causing lot's of anomolies on my system).   Orbx should have made getting rid of FTX Central a top priority years ago, instead of just adding new regions, and things getting complicated (and unreliable) beyond recognition.

 

I certainly hope they have fixed it, ready for FTX Global.

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Isn't part of the problem that each region loads a bunch of dll's? I know that when I have PNW loaded there is a 500mb VAS hit. I'm sure that other regions would share some resources but there would still be a hit of some kind I would imagine. 

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This is troubling. So if I buy FTX Global and want to fly from Germany to England ( I own ORBX England ) I either have to have default FSX Germany textures or FTX Global England textures (therefore making my FTX England worthless) UNLESS i want to quit FSX mid-flight?

 

That's a big let down. I was of the impression that if I had FTX Global as well as FTX England, when flying over England the "better" FTX England product would be used and over regions where I have no additional FTX product, the FTX Global textures would be there.

No. While in England you will see FTX England. Anywhere else you get FTX Global textures and autogen. It works the same way as GEX (Ground Environment Extreme) GEX and FTX Global will replace the FSX default ground textures EVERYWHERE, unless you have something else locally such as FTX or photoscenery. GEX and FTX Global are not "sceneries" per se that you turn on. They replace the default FSX textures. Your previous question; flying Belgium to Germany. Neither country is England so no you can turn FTX off. Or leave it on. Some people don't see issues outside of Orbx areas. I don't with the North American sceneries.

 

J van E, on 20 May 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

4. The upcoming FTX Global will be (at least out of the box) incompatible with FTX regions (so when you use FTX Global, you won't be able to use any FTX region at all). Obviously (one might say) this will be corrected in the future...

Where did ORBX say this? FTX Global is not a "region". I don't believe you will turn it on and off in FTX Central.

 

Nevermind I read the rest of the thread :)

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AFAIK, FTX does a couple of things. 1. is to put a modified lclookup.bgl in place. This is a master control file for the landclass system. Don't know exactly how this affects other scenery. 2. is to modify the default autogen. I've read reports where this can cause strange-looking buildings outside of FTX areas.

 

scott s.

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I have a solution....never leave Orbx areas. I don't. They are that good.

 

Sounds great as long as you don't mind never flying jets.

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