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FINALLY, I can practice night flying!!! I have got PITCH BLACK SKIES and CLOUDS for AWESOME more realistic night time flying. I also got the VC lighting down to a science. Pics below:Pics below are from gray and rainy theme 1 with VC Lighting On & The Other With VC Light Off.Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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Because everyone that flies for real like myself knows that night flying is funny in the way you can see clouds and in real life it's not like that especially overcast. Basically the lighting is wrong and I fixed it which I THOUGHT people would love to have but apparantly you're not interested. That's all. I had to shake myself up after reliving one of my past real life flights and eerily resembled the cold dark void I had experienced with lights below diming out and no sky above to see!! AWESOME! :-jumpy Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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Carmine., whatever it is can i have some!CheersDan:-laugh1

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>errrrr..... what are you so excited about?Was wondering that myself.

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No spot the difference just creating "REALISTIC" night time flying with cloud cover.I guess for some reason I will have to RE-Explain:AT NIGHT, FS2004 is UNREALISTIC when it comes to clouds & lighting in NIGHT flying. There is WAY TOO MUCH LIGHT. I have SOLVED that issue.NOW, when you fly at night you won't SEE the clouds but you will see lights below start disappearing which is the cloud between you and the ground (if you're over a city that is) also there is no visible horizon or stars above to see with overcast which is solved with my fixes. If there is less than overcast than of course you will still see the stars above. BASICALLY THIS: WE CAN FINALLY HAVE PITCH BLACK NIGHT FLYING PEOPLE!!This is something I have wanted for a LONG time and no one ever got as far as I am aware.I am a VFR rated pilot for the last 12 years and last year I was flying back from Daytona and there was of course LOT'S of Summer Clouds so flying back at 2AM I figured I could just stay below the cloud deck and be alright. Well that was fine until I saw the lights ahead in Ft. Lauderdale ahead starting to dim and I was at 2500 Ft. Before I knew it, I was DEEP in cloud cover and dropped the throttle and descended below. WHILE IN THE CLOUD, it was PITCH BLACK and the strobe lights made an unsettling look to the prop which froze in the lighting. I have never experienced this before since I am not IFR rated and during night flights in CT where I got my ticket I never encountered that situation with my instructor or on flights of my own. Needless to say, I KNOW what going into a cloud is like and you CAN'T experience that in Flight Sim UNTIL NOW!Also, the VC lighting in most FS planes are horrible. The lighting is RED in the cockpit because your eye is most sensitive to that color and it doesn't interfere with your night vision. White light should be avoided unless unavoidable of course then you close one eye if confronted with it to maintain night visibility. The gauges in the 172 which I happen to be current on are ALSO backlit with adjustable level white. Bottom line is this, if you want to fly around at night and SEE everything then my fixes are not for you. If you want to experience a more realistic encounter with black skies then I will be putting together this package as soon as I finish up and you can check it out yourself.Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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I am ready to try your package. The fact that I can see horizon and clouds at night always disturbed me. But If there is enough Moon then some reflection from clouds happen but probably we are not there yet with FS9 to have such subtle effects. I am also on a lookout for realistic runway lights - small, sharp and not overpowering. Real pilot too. Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

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nothin for nothin here, but it sounds to me like some of you may be flying in the simulator with your monitors brightness setting turned up way too high. I have NEVER been able to see clouds or the horizon at night in fs2004 UNLESS i turned up my brightness almost all the way....make sure the gamma settings for your graphics card are reset to default values then turn down your monitors brightness by 30% and you wont see squat at night :-)Dave

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Carmine,Nice Job. I am interested. Even when the weather is nice it can be very dark. I to have flown at night but not into clouds at night. That happened during the day with an instructor. I did some flying in the country and it was very hard to see the horizon. So never mind the flames. I'll download it if you post it.x:-) .

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Hi Dave,I have calibrated monitors and it has nothing to do with monitor brightness it is inherent in Flight Sim like the Pink Stratus used to have. I have 3 21" Cornerstone p1500 monitors and since I do photo work I have to make sure they're calibrated. I HIGHLY recommend EVERYONE do it to get the proper Gamma, Brightness, Contrast, Colors. I use the Pantone Colorvision Spyder --> www.pantone.comI will be posting "BETTER" photos as soon as I finish something up. :-)Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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I had tried that but my monitor and gamma don't seem to go low enough.Runway lights dimmed a little would be nice though. Even high intensity runway lights are fairly dim.----------------------------------------------------------------John S. MorganReal World: KGEG, UND Aerospace Spokane Satillite, Private 130+ hrs.Virtual: MSFS 2004"There is a feeling about an airport that no other piece of ground can have. No matter what the name of the country on whose land it lies, an airport is a place you can see and touch that leads to a reality that can only be thought and felt." - The Bridge Across Forever: A Love Story by Richard Bach

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I just have to say your points here is exactly what I was trying to get across to Flight1. They used a white light in their 172R as a dome light when red light is what's realistically in the cockpit. Little things like that can kill it for people who like night flight... I must will say for the record that if you have clear skies and depending on the time of year, you can actually see the horizon at night. It all depends on the time of year, cloud cover, and/or haze. Also depending on what time it is during the night can play a factor also. FS2k4 actually models this well as I was impressed and surprised to see different shades of sky color depending on what time of the night I was flying. I'm glad to hear about your edits and I'll diffidently take a look. I still wish I could find a night picture of the 172R's panel so I can make my own edits (I still won't be able to get around that light switch problem unfortunately :-hmmm )...

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Hi, This was already available from a while ago, For those want black night and no clouds at night, download FFPV2.ZIP (use only the night files) http://fsw.simflight.com/FSWdownload.htmlIt remove the clouds light at night and complete black sky. If you see the sky and clouds, your monitor brightneess is to much increase, I never see the clouds at night either sky in fs2004 at night and my monitor is set according to a monitor testerThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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$100 but it is WELL worth it for doing it every couple of weeks! For graphic color output work there is no choice!! I also calibrate my printer as well. HUGE IMPROVEMENT. Really WYSIWYG at it's finest.The problem stems from the fact you have 2 different mediums/palettes that you're trying to match up. CMYK is ink tones, RGB is monitor colors. Every single monitor is different and every single printer made is different so calibration is necessary for color critical work, which I do so it is very necessary and very much pays for itself. Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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Chris, your stuff is great and looking forward to Skyworld 2004 but what your solutions don't do is the following.1st Pic: Standard Untouched FS2004 With Flight1 172R Cold & Dark.2nd Pic: Darkened Cockpit & Sky w/same clouds same plane, same position.3rd Pic: Darkened Cockpit & Sky w/Same Clouds, Same Plane, Same Position, Running Without VC Light4rd Pic: Darkened Cockpit & Sky w/Same Clouds, Same Plane, Same Position, Running With VC LightYou really need to see them full screen with no ambient light to appreciate it.--> Michal, put this in &/Or change your FS9.cfg under the Display Section for closer to life airport lighting:RUNWAY_LIGHTS_SURFACE_SCALAR=0.5RUNWAY_LIGHTS_VASI_SCALAR=0.50RUNWAY_LIGHTS_APPROACH_SCALAR=0.30RUNWAY_LIGHTS_STROBE_SCALAR=0.60--> Dillon, change these values in the fx_172vclight.fx Color Start=80, 80, 80, 1Color End=80, 80, 80, 0to:Color Start=0, 0, 0, 1Color End=35, 0, 0, 0Have fun for now!Carmine http://ftp.avsim.com/dcforum/Images/wave.gif

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Hi Carmine, Thanks for your information :) Well in my case even your first pic I can't see the clouds, I had to increase the monitor brightness to the mid setting to see the clouds in the first shot, normaly I set this slightly little lower then the mid setting and all clouds go away, I have a Viewsonic E70F.It will also improve little my files if you want to use it, since it is completly black sky and black lights. ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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LOL...I know what you're talking about. That's really getting to the nitty gritty of things. Very good eye and congrats on your work.:-beerchug

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Carmine, that VC FX edit did the trick, it looks perfect... :-jumpy I can now tolerate flying the 172R at night. Your update gave just the right lighting anyone would find in the real thing. Since Flight1 isn't going to update the light switch problem I'll have to deal with the landing light constantly being on in order to have my gauge backlighting :-roll .I've made some sound updates of my own, give me your email address so I can send them to you as a thank you for the work you've done here (you saved me allot of time figuring out an alternative to Flight1's default lighting). You can let me know what you think...

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