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How is FTX Global in India? Plus, a 'complaint'!

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First, I have given up after several attempts trying to get any sensible information from the FTX forums themselves. I registered, validated the account as asked and finally, after lots of errors, managed to sign in. I am taken to a welcome page where I am supposed to post first, but as far as I can see you have to buy something before you can access so you can put your purchase number.. is there no possibility of pre-purchase questions? I wrote a message and pressed 'Reply' and was taken to a page which said "Oops we can't find that' and that I don't have permission to access the forums. Really, it's like trying to get into Fort Knox and my inclinations to buy anything from them at all have declined. Thanks heavens for the AVSIM FTX forum!

 

I was wanting to ask there, of anyone who has bought FTX  Global, how India looks.. I was lucky enough to live in India for some years, travelling all over the country in that time, and so I love to fly there in FS9 and FSX. But the landclass is nothing like the reality. For example, flying over the western ghats, the landscape changes from the green and browns of Kerala to the yellows and reds of Tamil Nadu - spectacular from the air. If FTX Global reproduced that, that would be a good indication that this is a product I should consider. Anyone able to report on this?

 

I wouldn't try to get back into their forums though. What an awful first impression! This is a commercial enterprise: do they actually what to sell their stuff??

 

Martin

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welcome  to forum  just to add  ftx  forums are not  the only  forums  that require you to add your purchase orders, I could name  a few here just for  starters   f1 b200 you need to register  first so cant  see  why  you just complain about  ftx. 

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Hi 

 

Iam from Mumbai and did notice that the textures look great, but that is where it ends.The scenery is not accurate and the coast along with the landmarks are off.I would probably wait for a land class product to be out to further judge.

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I wouldn't try to get back into their forums though. What an awful first impression! This is a commercial enterprise: do they actually what to sell their stuff??

 

The very same first impression I had with the Orbx forums. My first foray was just after Orbx release PNW. At the time you didn't have to own an Orbx product to pose a question; so I asked about the logging roads around Comox Lake on Vancouver Island not being included (I had noticed this on a friends FSX system running Orbx PNW). All the Orbx fans became very defensive until Holger Sandmann posted that they hadn't included the roads in the initial release (they showed up in SP001).

 

Since then I haven't bothered with the Orbx forums, except for here at AVSIM (thanks to their unofficial Orbx forum).

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... you need to register  first so cant  see  why  you just complain about  ftx.

 

I did register, and can log in, as I said. But I am not allowed even to see any forums: at least that's the only page I can get to: "Access Denied". I am not motivated enough to try any more and they will probably lose a large sale as they have already annoyed me before I even think of parting with any cash. Bad retail psychology I'd say... disenchant potential customers!!

 

Well, I've been simming pretty much every day for almost 12 years and belong to dozens of forums (though I only come here regularly) and so far, FTX is the only forum I have tried to join (as far as I can recall at least) where I have had this problem. I'll stick to this one, though I have no definite plans to buy FTX Global at the moment

 

Thanks Clintferns, that's what I suspected. I doubt any good landclass for FSX India will appear by this stage, sadly. I hope I am wrong. I can't help but feel that to get FTX Global, at no mean cost, only to find totally the wrong landclass in places that one knows well, kind of defeats the object, as beautiful as the view may be (and it looks from screenshots on their site that ORBX does make FSX look beautiful, even when 'wrong'!)

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I registered a few weeks ago on the Orbx forum without any problems and I could post within no time. Take note that you ONLY have to add your order number if you have a support question on the support forum! You do not have to have bought something at all if you simply want to post something somewhere else there.

 

About landclass for India: OpenLC should do the trick but it will take some time before it will be released.

 

If you want to, I can make a screenshot of a specific location with FTXG so you can compare it with what you've got right now: just post the exact coordinates (or simply an airport of which you want to see the surroundings).

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I can't access any forum even when logged in, I keep getting that stupid 'Ooops, we can't find it' page.... But that's OK, I'll use this forum, if and when ...

 

Thanks for the info. What's OpenLC? I did buy OpenVRF landclass for India and Nepal, but either I had problems with it, or I wasn't impressed (I can't recall which) and after a while I uninstalled it.

 

Thanks too for the screenshot offer. Will try to post one back here before too long...

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What's OpenLC?

 

These are the openLC landclass addon packs that Orbx is releasing for FTX Global (which you must have in order for the pack to work).

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Ah, OK, thanks. I'll wait till I see some screenshots first I think..

 

Here are screenshots of what I have now, taken above the western ghats. I reinstalled OpenVFR, so as to compare their rendition too. It's an improvement over the default, but the straight lines between LC boundaries get worse out of screenshot, Not nice (though I don't recall if that was the reason why I uninstalled the files). The mountains are better in OpenVFR (they are NOT covered in cultivated fields!), but the real and HUGE difference is that the Kerala side should be a mass of coconut trees (not much by way of cultivated fields there) and the Tamil Nadu side, though very well-cultivated, is not green at all. It's all yellow sand and deep red earth (beautiful!).

 

I know this is in a sense 'details' but as I said above, there's little incentive to spend so much money when areas I love to fly in are so unlike their real-world counterparts. Maybe when the FTX landclass projects are more advanced. I guess it's a lot of work!!

 

FSX - looking west...

 

 

 

FSX - looking east...

 

 

 

OpenVFR - looking west...

 

 

 

OpenVFR - looking east...

 

 

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Just to add to J van E's post above.

 

You do not need to purchase a product to register on the ORBX forums.

 

You DO need to follow all the validation instructions by posting a single post in the correct forum. Not overly complicated.

 

The extra validation became necessary due to inundation with SPAM accounts. It's a once only process, but needs to be completed or the security scripts will invalidate the account after a preset period.

For those interested in the thread on Mike's logging roads issue, it can be viewed here.

 

http://orbxsystems.com/forum/index.php?/topic/19328-PNW-Logging-Roads

 

And yes, you do need a validated logged in account to see the link.

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FSX - looking east...

 

I am having a hard time reading those coordinates. ^_^ Is it

 

N8° 37.37' E77° 12.85'

 

...? When I load these I don't see what I see on the screenshots. Or do you maybe also use addon mesh?

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For those interested in the thread on Mike's logging roads issue, it can be viewed here.

 

As an interesting aside, Orbx PNW logging road/trail coverage in the area is still lacking compared to UTX Canada. On the other hand, Orbx PNW is so vastly superior in every other way in this region that I really can't complain. :smile:

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Sorry, that's because I lowered the quality of the screenshots to reduce the upload size! Yes, the co-ordinates are N8 37.37  E77 12.84 @ 7600 ft

 

I use FSGenesis mesh too.


"You DO need to follow all the validation instructions by posting a single post in the correct forum. Not overly complicated."

 

I didn't imply it was 'complicated' (I am many things, but not, I like to think, stupid), but I did state that it didn't work. I got to the forum (thread, I mean) where it says you must post one message and I tried to post one. This was after receiving the validation email to my account and following the link. I logged on OK. When I try to post the required message I get a page with the 'Ooops....' and a message saying I don't have the right to post. But as I say, I am really not interested in trying again - I wasted half an hour on it this morning. Maybe once I decide to buy something it may be worthwhile having another go.

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This is what I get with those coordinates and MAG at 355... doesn't really looks like one of yours but that may be the mesh (EDIT I think it looks most like your 'FSX - looking east' screenshot: only the rocky part in the front is missing). Anyway, the chance in the colors of the fields can't be seen here, so I guess you would indeed need new landclass for that. I like the colors and variation in this shot more then in your 'FSX - looking east- shot but of course I have no clue which one is more realistic.

 

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When I try to post the required message I get a page with the 'Ooops....' and a message saying I don't have the right to post. But as I say, I am really not interested in trying again - I wasted half an hour on it this morning.

No. Can't say I would either.

 

Can you post your ORBX forum name here, and someone can unlock whatever is blocking your account.

 

There have been some major datacenter (er, problems) in the last 24 hours, so possible you fell victim to those.

Scratch that. Found you. Will get the account reset.

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OK thanks for that, 'hcornea'. I think you get the gist of this post though (which was really to get feedback on flying FSX in India, rather than grumble!). When some FTX LC is available that makes India (and other places) look less like England's Green & Pleasant Land, I may go for FTX Global (even though 95% of my simming is with FS9).

 

J van E - you have no terrain mesh? At those co-ordinates you should be seeing something more akin to mountains, gentle though they are: the Ghats are hardly the Himalayas (my screenshots are not of the 'craggiest' parts!), but even so... Certainly the fields and roads in both screenshots are way off the mark. The OpenVFR one is much closer (but either side of the Ghats is totally wrong, as I mentioned).

 

I have vivid memories of the scenery and flew across on a few occasions (sadly I took no photos) - though normally I took the train across. (I should have a look at Rajasthan in FSX - more wonderful scenery, desert this time). It's always been a bit of a disappointment to me that India (landclass especially) has been relatively badly served in FS. One sixth of the world's population live there, after all, and the scenery is so diverse. An FSX/FS9 'no brainer', I would have thought!

 

I have reinstated OpenVFR to my FSX setup by the way - I don't remember why I uninstalled it now, I know it was causing some problem or other, but the Ghats there look a lot better than the default FSX pastoral idyll...

 

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Thought some may like to see what this should look like. The first shows an aerial photo & the colour difference. Then some specifics - green is west side, and the red earth is east, in Tamil Nadu (and makes me very nostalgic for the place!!).

 

M.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi 

 

Iam from Mumbai and did notice that the textures look great, but that is where it ends.The scenery is not accurate and the coast along with the landmarks are off.I would probably wait for a land class product to be out to further judge.

Thanks for that Clinton, as I tend to fly a lot from VAGO-VABB in R/L and the OP's remarks about the visual changes on the Western Ghats is spot-on. Have held back going for the FTX Global although I do have several of their other sceneries

Thought some may like to see what this should look like. The first shows an aerial photo & the colour difference. Then some specifics - green is west side, and the red earth is east, in Tamil Nadu (and makes me very nostalgic for the place!!).

 

M.

 

attachicon.gifGhats (1).jpg

 

attachicon.gifGhats (2).jpg

 

attachicon.gifGhats (3).jpg

 

attachicon.gifGhats (4).jpg

3rd pic, saw that when I visited Mahableshwar. Yes, agree with you, a land of contrasts from the western greens from Kerala to Goa and above to the eastern baked of TN.

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OMG...please not again.

 

1. The forums over at FTX are great.  Logging in and out etc. are as easy as anywhere.  Their protocols protect them from being hacked.

 

2. Don't complain - read the material that is readily available over at FTX that explains what this product does and does not do.  If you don't understand, don't be embarrassed, nobody expects you to be an authority on the inner workings of FSX,  just ask someone to clarify.  Inquire, pose or offer comment, suggestions and advice...leave out the snarky stuff. 

 

3. If your interested in a particular part of the planet post here or over there and ask someone to post some particular screenshots of that area, I did that already over at FTX for PEI and Charlottetown (Canada eh) and I got what I wanted.  You will have success over there, there are tons of folks willing to help.

 

cheers, Bryan

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Inquire, pose or offer comment, suggestions and advice...leave out the snarky stuff.

 

Good advice when posting on any forum! :smile:

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"OMG".. I am sorry Bryan, I guess maybe you are trying to help, but I really don't need to be patronised like that. "If you don't understand something, don't be embarrassed"... What's to understand?? I did EXACTLY what was required to register, as per instructions and I was told I can't access the forum. I tried several times and still I got the same 'oops' error messages. After almost half an hour I gave up, my time (and patience) are limited. I can manage just fine without the FTX forum if it won't let me in. Maybe I hit a temporary gIitch in the forums, but the result is the same.

 

Why can't you believe things happened as I say, rather than write such a reply? Am I a liar? Or of very low IQ? I can't see what else you could be implying. As I said, I have signed up to dozens of forums in the 20 years (or whatever it is) I have been using the internet and whilst I appreciate the reasons for the SPAM protection FTX has set up,I am not going to persist in trying to post on their forums for more than a certain period of time. I felt frustrated that the forum won't let me in, despite following the instructions to the letter, and expressed it, pretty gently, here, insulting or demeaning no one personally. If it all worked for you and you could post immediately with no problem, great. I am very happy for you.

 

If you have to begin your post "OMG, not again" maybe you should consider the possibility that some people may have a problem with the FTX forums, rather than saying it so that it means "OMG, not another idiot" (which in the context it very clearly does of course).

 

What I don't appreciate above all is advice on how to post here. Look back at my posts, over 2600 of them since 2003. I am not given to being 'snarky'. It can't of course come across in anything I write, but I am, I think, a really nice guy, friendly and of a generation that deplores the rudeness that seems all too common on so many forums these days. I post 'politely', even now, I hope, when I am, I admit, a little bit riled, when the implication is that I am just a little bit unintelligent.

 

I am sorry Bryan if you meant everything you said in a different way, and were simply trying to help, but as worded your post comes across as a bit of a personal slap in the face.

 

If anyone else replies, can we please stick to the main point about the Indian landclass. Thanks.

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Not meant to be directed at "you".  Just my good advice to all those posting.  Its only patronizing should "you" think that "you" is directed toward "you".  My mistake...should have clarified, sorry.  You is the collective you.

 

OMG...please not again...is leading....hoping that this tread does not deteriorate into one similar to those earlier this week on Orbx/FTX bashing.  Sorry not meant to be directed toward "you".

 

To put it bluntly, there is nothing wrong with Orbx forums IMHO, 

 

Sorry don't have the product to be able to help by posting screenshots. FTXG is well explained, well documented.  I don't own it (yet), not sure I will get it because its limited without good mesh, UTX or other vector information and good landclass.  I have all FTX regions (except Wales) and they are probably the most satisfying products I have ever owned.  All those texture issues are dealt with by custom autogen, landclass, additional mesh and vector info.

 

And the reason there is this Unofficial Orbx forum here is because of me, enjoy...and Tom took a heck of a beating from JV over it.

 

First, I have given up after several attempts trying to get any sensible information from the FTX forums themselves. I registered, validated the account as asked and finally, after lots of errors, managed to sign in. I am taken to a welcome page where I am supposed to post first, but as far as I can see you have to buy something before you can access so you can put your purchase number.. is there no possibility of pre-purchase questions? I wrote a message and pressed 'Reply' and was taken to a page which said "Oops we can't find that' and that I don't have permission to access the forums. Really, it's like trying to get into Fort Knox and my inclinations to buy anything from them at all have declined. Thanks heavens for the AVSIM FTX forum!

 

{cut out}

 

I wouldn't try to get back into their forums though. What an awful first impression! This is a commercial enterprise: do they actually what to sell their stuff??

 

Martin

 

My suggestion on the FTX forums, complete the logon, set to always logged on.  Subscribe to the Announcments, Paywere and Compatibility forums to keep up with what is happening in Orbxland and their payware addons.  Their service is some of the best!

 

NEW POST

Have you tried this product?  It might make a difference?

 

Also, has anyone else tried this landclass (or anyother that might be out there) with FTXG

 

http://www.scenerytech.com/products/landclass/asia.htm#coverage

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Thanks Bryan. I HATE any sort of 'forum one-upmanship', which seems to be everywhere these days. Kids, I imagine (as a teacher), but who knows.... "I make myself look intelligent by making you look dumb" kind of thing, and |I guess you agree with that. I hate disputes too, even with folks I don't know, especially on a forum such as this, which I have valued for so long. Maybe I am a bit too much of an 'English gentleman', or at least aspire to be!!! :P

 

But back to the landclass. When FTX produces (as I gather from this thread they will) landclass to fit in with the FTX global, I'll think again. At the moment, from what I see, the areas are better served, LC-wise, by OpenVFR so I'll stick with that (but will investigate your link too of course).

 

If I actually buy FTXGlobal one day, I'll give the forum another try, maybe I'll be able to access it next time. I am registered for now anyway... meanwhile, thanks for starting up this one! I didn't know it was your 'baby'

 

Martin

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... you need to register  first so cant  see  why  you just complain about  ftx.

 

I did register, and can log in, as I said. But I am not allowed even to see any forums: at least that's the only page I can get to: "Access Denied". I am not motivated enough to try any more and they will probably lose a large sale as they have already annoyed me before I even think of parting with any cash. Bad retail psychology I'd say... disenchant potential customers!!

 

Well, I've been simming pretty much every day for almost 12 years and belong to dozens of forums (though I only come here regularly) and so far, FTX is the only forum I have tried to join (as far as I can recall at least) where I have had this problem. I'll stick to this one, though I have no definite plans to buy FTX Global at the moment

 

Thanks Clintferns, that's what I suspected. I doubt any good landclass for FSX India will appear by this stage, sadly. I hope I am wrong. I can't help but feel that to get FTX Global, at no mean cost, only to find totally the wrong landclass in places that one knows well, kind of defeats the object, as beautiful as the view may be (and it looks from screenshots on their site that ORBX does make FSX look beautiful, even when 'wrong'!)

 

Go back and read the instructions again.

 

You don't have to add your order number. You just have to "introduce" yourself in the thread they've designated. It's just for spam control. I haven't bothered to put my order numbers on my account and I post there all the time. 

 

I got confused my first time over there to. But as soon as you post in that thread everything opens up. 

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LATER: re your link Bryan, the Jalabad is impressive, but I have been to Sholapur (the Indian example) and I am not 100% sure that the default isn't slightly more real than the SceneryTech version - small cultivated fields like that are not that common in India, except in the north as the elevation gets higher towards the Himalayas. It doesn't look 'right' somehow. But I could be wrong ...

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"Go back and read the instructions again.

You don't have to add your order number. You just have to "introduce" yourself in the thread they've designated. It's just for spam control. I haven't bothered to put my order numbers on my account and I post there all the time. 

 

I got confused my first time over there to. But as soon as you post in that thread everything opens up".

 

Oh please, enough of this. I know you are trying to help, so apologise for my exasperated tone, but how much clearer can I make it? I'll refrain from replying to any more similar posts, but one last time: I tried to "introduce myself" on the forum where it says 'introduce yourself' and I even read some of the other people's 'hellos' there. I was logged in and had responded to the verification emails I had been sent. I wrote a short message and when I chose to post it I ended up on a page which said 'Ooops, we can't find that' (what??) and 'You don't have permission to post' or words to that effect, even though I could see I was logged in on the page. Obviously I didn't try to add an order number as I don't have one. This happened each time I logged out and logged back in again. I gave it a fair shot...

 

I hope that is clear. I am not going back to the FTX forums because by now I have become totally allergic to the very name... B)

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