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Haswell Build Chronicled

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That windows chime is probably FSUIPC's low-VAS warning (assuming you're running FSUIPC).

 

Thanks,

 

That's exactly what it is and now that I know I am for warned and can save the flight.

Luckily I have already landed that time!

 

I just finished Nick Needhams advanced NvidiaInspector setup and now my new system is complete but for Overclocking.

I cannot believe how good it is. I am just blown away even at the stock clocks.

 

I just flew the NGX form CYVR to Prince Rupert in OBRX PNW with heavy REX weather with no problems.

This was a 3 month project and it was really challenging but worth all the time and the money.

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I have finally reached the overclocking parts of this build. The build is complete, The Sim Room is all but complete. I have followed Nick's guide to the letter and the advanced NvidiaInspector Guide.

I just left the slider where they are based on Nick's FSX bible and I am happy with. Here is a look around the NGX flight deck on my new rig:

Computer cage built and Installed. Whahahahahahaha

PCCage.jpg

 

Overclocking starts tomorrow :crazy:

No Overclocking yet :Cry:

But did just about complete what is actually a tricky part of this project:

Making a hole in a 16" thick wall!

Easier said than done You have to make sure you measure correctly so the whole is in the right place on both sides of the wall

and you have to make sure to find the path of least resistance and avoid plumbing, Electrical, Data, Phone cables.

The system goes in the cage and cables go through the hole into the sim room. During sim season the sim room is a cozy

72 while the system will typically be a few degrees below freezing point sometimes as much as 20+ below :lol:

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Last Vid before moving the system to the semi-outside. Winter is a comin'

I used FSRecorder for this one so I can recreate it for Benchmarking.

Or that was the plan! But I think I will make another very Clinical FSRecorder VID

Using the NGX and the New NYC-X for Benchmarking the value of the OC.

That is the most demanding scenery I know off and certainly the most demanding I own.

It'll be very interesting to see how this pans out. Many components in a PC are not specced to operate in severe cold...typical design ambient temp ranges are 15-40 deg C. I know my systems all have exhibited occasional issues with cold-booting when my sim room in the basement drops to below 17 deg C (63 F). Usually re-booting after the PC has been running a few minutes cures the problem...but at -20 deg I'd be worried that effects like thermal expansion and cold brittleness in tight-tolerance hard disk platters and fans might cause some problems. There's also the issue of condensation in a non-climate controlled space.

 

Regards

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

It'll be very interesting to see how this pans out. Many components in a PC are not specced to operate in severe cold...typical design ambient temp ranges are 15-40 deg C. I know my systems all have exhibited occasional issues with cold-booting when my sim room in the basement drops to below 17 deg C (63 F). Usually re-booting after the PC has been running a few minutes cures the problem...but at -20 deg I'd be worried that effects like thermal expansion and cold brittleness in tight-tolerance hard disk platters and fans might cause some problems. There's also the issue of condensation in a non-climate controlled space.

 

Regards

Sure considered all of that last very when I did it first with my previous build. The system was outside for about a week in -10 to -20c conditions. I had no issues at all. Overclocked my i7920 to 4.85ghz. Granted only time will tell and I will be watching it closely. I have researched it on the internet but there wasn't to much about it except cooling a computer by putting it inside a fridge!

If I new more I probably wouldn't do.LOL  Anyway its a blast! its all about enjoying yourself right?

I couldn't find

Sometimes you can cheat death when you first hear the warning by saving the flight--the process of saving a flight seems to reset some things to recover some of the VAS. And sometimes not.

That is a good tip Thanks.

 

I also have one. This one is after you are dead, you may still be able to Land. :P

 

When I am on approach and I get an OOM pop up saying I have run out of memory, I do not acklowedge it.... I do not ack the grim reaper. I simply move the pop up (reaper) aside and contine my landing. The scenery may turn ugly,,,but I am able to atleast salvage my landing rather than get completely kicked out.

Manny

Beta tester for SIMStarter 

Looking into operating temperature ranges again I think that the main issue is with moving parts starting cold! Once they get moving they are going to generate some heat of their own. So HDD's might be a problem and fans might be a problem. I will have to proceed carefully. The minimum operating temp for the SDD’s is zero of 32f so that I believe sets the limit but I will probably try to push that a few degrees lower. Over the winter the average temperature here is -6c so I guess I will be avoiding those days when it is lower than -10c or will I? :crazy: 

One for the road:

hole is ready for cable:

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Can anyone recommend a high quality brand for Cables or will it make any difference if I just buy the cheapest available?

 

I need a bunch of USB 2.0 and 3.0 extension cables to run from the machine in the cage and a data cable (I guess CAT7 is the standard now?)

also a DVI to HDMI cable and a Fiber Optical SPDIF.

 

Also will need to run a Sata cable and a power cable from the PSU some how install my BD drive inside the sim room.

 

I just had a eureka though! :crazy:

 

 Above Bob expressed concerns about running a system outside the ambient temperature manufacturers specs.

I also had these concerns but as I said I did an experiment for about a week last winter with my i7 920 build with great overclocking results

and no apparent problem for the system.

 

I have been thinking about this since Bob brought it up and I thought wouldn't it be great if there was a socket extension cable!

i.e. a 1150 socket with a cable with 1150 conductors coming out of the back of it and on the other end something that looked like a CPU

so it was possible have the CPU remote from the rest of the system for supercooling. Impractical or is it? One of you hardware engineers can work it out.

I you can do it I want a 2% royalty for the idea. :lol:

 

Anyway I have to acknowledge that below zero I have a problem!

So here is my solution:

 

As can be seen from the photos above I have 2 environments 18" apart. One is a cozy 72F and the other could be a fridge as low as 15 to 20F

Well 18" is not very far so I though 2 cases! one in each environment.

The one in the cold contains the Motherboard and obviously the CPU, RAM and GPU.

The one on the warm side contains the PSU, HDD's, SDD's and BD drive.

 

All I need are long enough cables to make the appropriate connections :lol:

 

Any comment?

Long connectors to a CPU socket likely wouldn't work...the CPU and PCH support operate at microwave radio frequencies, and the long lead length would introduce all kinds of problems with signals at those frequencies.

 

What might be practical, though, would be to put your HDD/SSDs in an eSATA enclosure inside the house cabled to the cold box outside. I would also recommend running your USB cables to a powered hub in the house, using standard length cables between the PC and hub, and from the hub to the peripherals.

 

Shielded Cat 5e or 6 should be fine, even for a gigbit LAN.

 

You're going to want high-quality cable for your video run...preferably well-shielded digital DVI-D connections with cable runs as short as possible.

 

Regards

Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc
ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V

Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE
Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro
PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
TM TCA Officer Pack
, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case

Am enjoying this thread. Keep it up! :biggrin:

Ivo Dimitrov

Am enjoying this thread. Keep it up! :biggrin:

Not garnishing much interest but I will keep it up until I hit 6ghz :crazy:  :LMAO:

 

What I love about the Youtube Vids is that I haven't done anything with BIOS yet.

No Overclocking yet. In Fact I haven't even turned off Hyper-threading and it already looks fantastic

at least compared to my last I7 920 Build!

 

Its not all about Flying:

The Rig got its first visit to the cage today!

manages to rummage up some cables and as luck would have it

my DVI to HDMI cable was long enough.

I haven't made any changes in the BIOS yet except

setting an XMP for the DRAM.

The CPU is merely ideal but I think that looks promising That's 20c less than when I looked just after I completed the build!

See photo at beginning of thread

The ambient temp in the Garage is 13C:

I measure for cables today and start looking for a suitable esata box for the drives :-)

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First Garage test is finished and Precious is back in side no worse off! :lol:

 

I know that cable lengths have the potential to cause problems.

 

This is my preferred plan:

Warm side of wall:

PSU, SDD's, HDD's and BD Drive.

 

Cold side of wall:

Case, Motherboard, CPU, GPU, RAM.

 

Here are the Cables I would need to use to make this happen;

Cables required for Project:

 

PSU Cables:

            1x        24 pin                           Length 60" (5 Feet)

            1x        8 Pin                            Length 60" (5 Feet)

            1x        6 Pin PCI-e                  Length 60" (5 Feet)

            1x        8 Pin PCI-e                  Length 60" (5 Feet)

 

SATA

 

            8x        SATA 6gb/s                 Length 60" (5 Feet)

 

Sound

 

            1x        Optical SPDIF             length 108" (9 Feet)

 

USB extensions

 

            2x        USB 2.0                       Length 108" (9 Feet)

            4x        USB 2.0                       Length 144" (12 Feet)

            2x        USB 3.0                       Length 108" (9 Feet)

            4x        USB 3.0                       Length 144" (12 Feet) 

 

I have found 6' Sata cables but I will look harder to find 6gb/s certified

 

If the PSU cables to MB and GPU are to long I guess I could put the PSU outside

But I don't know how well that would hold up in sub-zero environment.

 

Just for comparison here in is the temp in the BIOS back inside.

Compared to the outside temp I think this is an indication of the poor quality of Intel TIM:

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