Hello Q400 drivers,

 

I would like to fly training patterns the same way they would be flown during a type rating on order to train myself.

 

I am wondering about a few things to set up the aircraft for that purpose :

 

- What would be the typical load for such a mission? Can the dash be flown empty with correct CoG without the use of ballast?

 

- What would be the typicla fuel load?

 

- How is the FMS used in that case? Is there any particular setup?

 

- How would a typical pattern be flown regarding speed, altitude, timing, gear,flaps and spoilers configuration? Is there a way to override spoilers extension on touch down in the Dash?

 

Thanks for your help,

 

Best regards,

 

Pierre

 

 

 

 

Too bad no one knows this..I would love to know myself 

@ Azrob, there was a post on Majestic's support forum, about training load out, patterns, etc. Do a search on their forums for 'training patterns-how to'. It should show up. Hope this helps you out.

   Cheers, Craig.

As far as the weight and balance is concerned, the Majestic config tool shows you where you are within the CG envelope for whatever loading you throw in.

Or see the Airline2Sim training coming out soon where they take you through exactly that before doing a full days typical flying for the dash from airport to airport to airport with a rl line pilot..? It's going to be $30 which is about £18 right now...

Cool Thanks Guys - Can't wait until Airline2Sim training comes out - looks like its going to be fun !

Hi guys, just spotted this, Kevin has posted above that we do exactly this in the tutorial.

 

In terms of fuel - the Dash will overpower you at low weights as it has a LOT of power. Stick 5000kg of fuel at least on your empty Dash.

 

The FMS only needs the departure and arrival runway and set yourself up a PVOR to see the extended centreline as you go round the circuit.

 

The circuit itself is pretty simple but the workload is very high. Use of autopilot all the way round is recommended. 2000-3000 feet in the circuit is reasonable, we used 2000 and then 4000 feet.

After departure and clean up make the left or right turn and fly downwind to turn onto around a 10 mile final, aiming to be under 180 Kts, flaps 5 reducing to 160. Once established gear down and flaps 15, reducing to VREF. For a touch and go lower the nose wheel on, no braking or reverse and off you go. If landing with flap 35, retract to 15 before putting the power back on or it'll give you a TO warning. Also wind a bit of trim back before rotation.

 

Think that just about covers it

Hi guys, just spotted this, Kevin has posted above that we do exactly this in the tutorial.

 

In terms of fuel - the Dash will overpower you at low weights as it has a LOT of power. Stick 5000kg of fuel at least on your empty Dash.

 

The FMS only needs the departure and arrival runway and set yourself up a PVOR to see the extended centreline as you go round the circuit.

 

The circuit itself is pretty simple but the workload is very high. Use of autopilot all the way round is recommended. 2000-3000 feet in the circuit is reasonable, we used 2000 and then 4000 feet.

After departure and clean up make the left or right turn and fly downwind to turn onto around a 10 mile final, aiming to be under 180 Kts, flaps 5 reducing to 160. Once established gear down and flaps 15, reducing to VREF. For a touch and go lower the nose wheel on, no braking or reverse and off you go. If landing with flap 35, retract to 15 before putting the power back on or it'll give you a TO warning. Also wind a bit of trim back before rotation.

 

Think that just about covers it

 

 

Thank You Sir, Just what I'm looking for +1 

 

One question about PVOR - is this what it means:

 

The Universal FMS uses a PVOR or Pseudo VOR function. The idea is you tell the FMS what waypoint you would like to designate as a VOR and what track you would like to intercept towards it. The aircraft will then intercept and track an inbound course - much like you would a VOR radial - to that waypoint. -

 

And do you cover FMS PVOR setup in your Cadet Training Program?  If not - How do you set it up in FMS?

 

Thanks For The Help

 

  And FYI, I'm getting your Cadet Training Program next week - can't wait Good Job !

 

 

is recommended. 2000-3000 feet in the circuit is reasonable

 

Be kind of a bad deal if your in Denver.

Yeh local geography needs to be taken into account

 

Azrob, yes we do cover setting up a PVOR, and it is in fact used twice - once in the circuit training and then for the DME Loc arrival at GCI to help us establish on the extended centreline from a long distance out. It's all in there and we look forward to you joining the Q400 Cadet club

Sorry guys, don't have airline2sim, just reading the thread.  If he doesn't like a 10 mile final:

 

Another realworld variation of the "normal circuit"  for this aircraft, visual, according to a diagram:

 

-Take off, complete the After Takeoff during the crosswind leg, climb to 1500, and be established at 190 knots, torque ~25%, condition levers 900, by the time you turn to downwind.

- While on the downwind, establish 170, CL's should be at 850. Set Flaps 5, do your Approach Checklist, brief, set bugs.

-Abeam threshold. Gear Down, Flaps 15. Start your landing Checklist

-Fly 30 seconds beyond threshold.

-Turn on to base. Allow IAS to decrease to Vref+15 to 150 kts.

-Adjust torque and altitude as required (it's a visual pattern)

-Set Landing Flaps, if 35, CL Max, around the time you are turning to final

-Bleeds Min during final, Complete the checklist. By 500 ft be at Vref to Vref+20.

 

My diagram doesn't say what the lateral distance from the runway should be during the downwind leg, but I'm guessing it's your typical 1.5 to 2 mile wide rectangle, and at the speeds indicated, you can probably figure on being at minimum about 500 ft and 1.5 miles out, give or take, by the time that you complete your turn to final.  Unfortunately, I don't have a link or a digital copy of the picture, but it's out there somewhere on the toobs. :lol: