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Does anyone want to help get Concorde flying again ? If so, then sign the petition at www.save-concorde.co.uk.I know that some of you may believe that this is a waste of time, but then nothing EVER gets done if we do not try. This campaign has the backing of several Concorde pilots, ex-Concorde engineers, and the British Airline Pilots Association, so it is NOT some small time attempt to cause trouble.Come on guys, what harm can it do ?Chris Low.

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I don't think we should be saving the Concorde. Let it retire in peace. The aircraft is old and unprofitable. The crash in Paris was only the spark that set off a chain of events already the planning stages. The Concorde is a very expensive aircraft to operate. It's onboard systems are obsolete and it's engines violate noise regulations around most airports. Also, remember the airline industry crash after 9/11. People don't want to fly any more and airlines aren't even making money with their regular subsonic aircraft. The Concorde is just too unpractical to hang onto.

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A sad and defeatist attitude. There are many more aircraft around the world that are far older than Concorde. Anyway, who said anything about airline operations ? I was referring to using one Concorde for special events and airshows. Is there anything wrong with a desire to see this happen ? Many of us consider Concorde to be the most beautiful and graceful aircraft ever built. In particular, many of us BRITISH people consider Concorde to be a national icon. We do not WANT to see this amazing plane discarded without a second thought.I have no idea if you are British or not, but I do know that there are thousands of people in Britain, France and around the world who would love to see even one Concorde take to the skies again. This campaign is dedicated to making that dream come true.Chris Low.

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>A sad and defeatist attitude. There are many more aircraft>around the world that are far older than Concorde. Anyway, who>said anything about airline operations ? I was referring to>using one Concorde for special events and airshows. Is there>anything wrong with a desire to see this happen ? Many of us>consider Concorde to be the most beautiful and graceful>aircraft ever built. In particular, many of us BRITISH people>consider Concorde to be a national icon. We do not WANT to see>this amazing plane discarded without a second thought.>>I have no idea if you are British or not, but I do know that>there are thousands of people in Britain, France and around>the world who would love to see even one Concorde take to the>skies again. This campaign is dedicated to making that dream>come true.>>Chris Low.>I suppose the Concorde could work as an airshow preformer but not as an airliner. Face facts, it guzzles through fuel like Opera guzzles through SlimFast. Look how much she has to make to stay slim. lolI can relate to the Concorde being a national icon. I come from Canada, home of the Avro CF-105 Arrow. It was ahead of it's time and perhaps the world's first modern fighter jet. It was a bisonic delta just like the Concorde. It was also let go for the same reason, it got too expensive. At least the concorde had a good thirty something years, the Arrow only got 2 in flight and didn't even make it to military service.

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I apologise for the somewhat harsh words at the start of my reply. It's just that I care a LOT about Concorde (like so many people), and if there is any chance to get even one back in the skies (where it belongs), then I will take it.Chris Low.

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All the Concordes have been decomissioned which means they are not even airworthy anymore, those which have gone outside the UK / France have had engine and other specific instruments removed as they are still officially state secrets, the main one being the computer which controls the engine intakes, finally and Most Importantly the type certificate has lapsed and without it the aircraft cannot move 1 inch off the ground, the only people who can reinstate the certificate are Airbus and they want nothing further to do with the Aircraft as they have said on numerous occasions.It's nice to see people 'fighting' for what they believe in, in this case getting her flying again but the truth it will NEVER happen.

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As a footnote to Ben's post: The hydraulics have all been drained as part of the decommissioning. When this is achieved, the pipes all crack and would certainly need replacing in order for the systems to function again, a task that could not be done. Like many, I am outraged that one wasn't kept flying but unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done. It would be more rewarding to aim efforts and funding towards the movement and restoration of Delta-Golf.Andy[/font size]

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Thanks for the responses guys, but there are plenty of qualified people who are actively involved in this campaign (including Concorde pilots and engineers), so I am sure that this type of thing has been considered. As for the restoration of G-BBDG, I would prefer to concentrate on restoring one Concorde to flight status, rather than restoring an additional Concorde to museum status.Chris Low.

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Always did bug me that so important an aircraft, a tech marvel to this day, could just....stop.Got my vote, and I agree Chris, the engineers must know what it'll take to 'recommission' one of these birds.regards,Mark

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Andrew,Can you confirm that the hydraulic fluids have been drained from Concorde G-BOAF at Filton ? I assume that this is the case, but someone at www.save-concorde.co.uk wants to know for sure.Chris Low.

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I voted. C'mon Concorde, lets fly! :)

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It would be nice to see it flying again, but there's so many aircraft we would like to see again which might never happen though maybe concorde should be one of those that does, it is a technologial marvel and as youu say a national icon and so it should be the amount of government money that went into be funding for it keeping one for display would be brilliant it would be sad to think we'll never see concorde storming down the mall with the red arrows again, for now i'm just happy Manchester got one :-)

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Do you do any plane spotting (for want of a better term) at Manchester Airport ?Chris Low.

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My cousin and I usually visit a few times during spring and summer every year. We generally position ourselves on the National Trust land, directly adjacent to the runway 24L threshold. I use my digital camcorder to film the planes, and he takes down registration numbers. We take a couple of deck chairs, food and drink, and usually stay from 8 a.m. to around 5 p.m.Chris Low.

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did you vote in the only way that might actually do something: by donating a few tens of millions of pounds?Talk is cheap, money makes the world go round.There are far more important aircraft than Concorde that are silently retired and noone even talks about it.The 747 classic is disappearing rapidly for example. This is the single aircraft type that made long distance airtravel cheap enough that almost anyone can now afford to fly intercontinental! The impact of the 747 classic has been far greater than the impact of Concorde (which is the economical descendant of the DC-6) could ever be.Same is happening with the DC-10, 737-200, the 707 and DC-8 are already gone.Those aircraft don't even survive in museums (a very few exceptions do exist, but there will be less 747s in museums than Concordes, even though over 100 times as many were built).

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Fair enough comments, Jeroen. However, Concorde is very special to the British people (and probably a fair few French people also). It is also UNIQUE. The Boeing 747-200 Classic may be a nice aircraft, but there are plenty of Boeing 747's still flying around.Chris Low.

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Concorde symbolises the hopes and dreams of two nations in the 1960's. If you ask anyone on a street in Britain and i presume it s the same in France what aircraft would you most like to fly on the answer would every time be concorde. You can go to an airport and get on a 747 anytime you like, concorde has that magic about it for even the people who did not get to fly on it. It is a national institution so in that sense it is more important than say a 747 terms in historical terms for the two nations.

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As previously mentioned, the Type Certificate for Concorde has been withdrawn by Airbus. Without a TC, Concorde will never fly unless it is under an experimental cert. which is under the control of the CAA.I respect those with the time and effort to strive for such a lofty goal, but the retirement of Concorde is both political and economic. The economic hurdle is one thing, but if the CAA and Airbus want it to stay on the ground, no one can change that.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 Mechanic

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There are far more important aircraft than Concorde ...I wouldn't come over to England or France and say that if I were you. Concorde is very special to lots of aviation enthusiasts - even in the US (shock horror!). Take a look at www.airliners.net and search for Seattle and Concorde. You might be surprised at how well received she was on her arrival there a couple of months ago.We all know Concorde was withdrawn for economic reasons but that doesn't stop it being the world's most famous civilian aircraft. 747s? Sorry, ten a penny and pretty ugly to boot. That's not something you could ever say about Concorde - probably the most elegant aircraft ever to grace the skies.Cheers,

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You've never seen a Comet?Concorde is pretty, but IMO just about anything produced post-1960 is ugly :)

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I haven't seen a Comet in the flesh but even if I had I would still have to say Concorde is the most beautiful aircraft ever designed. All very subjective eh? Each to their own.Cheers,

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If the Vulcan XH558 can fly again, and it now seems almost certain that it will for display purposes, then I would think the case in favour of Concorde doing the same must be VERY strong indeed.This goes far beyond economic considerations or environmental pollution. In any case, I would have thought the Americans should be the last to protest on the basis of such issues since they as a nation are acknowledged worldwide as being amongst the worst offenders. Do I hear "Kyoto"?Quote "Developed countries such as the United States, with only 25 percent of the world's population, are responsible for more than 75 percent of the accumulated greenhouse gas pollution in the atmosphere to date." Unquote.This is about the pride of two nations who succeeded in creating an engineering marvel that will live on in peoples' memories for evermore.Just my tuppence worth ;)Mike

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Hi Mike,So what does the USA's refusal of Kyoto and XH558 have to do with Concorde flying again? I view your quoted comment as a direct snub at all Americans, whether they supported it or not, and has no bearing on this topic. I'm Canadian so don't count me in with the USA. It's just my opinion.As far as XH558 is concerned, it never had a CAA civilian type certificate and therefore is much easier to register under the experimental category. Concorde on the other hand had a CAA T/C which has since been revoked by Airbus and CAA. This in itself is a huge hurdle as it's the CAA's decision whether or not to allow Concorde to fly again.Now back to the discusion about Concorde without political/nationalistic remarks ;) .Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 Mechanic

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>I know that some of you may believe that this is a waste of>time, but then nothing EVER gets done if we do not try. What a DUMB idea !Concord was flying barely a few months ago. If you want projects like this - rather restore some nice vintage aircraft that very few people ever saw in flying condition during their lifetimes. I recall once seeing some old Ford 3-engine airplane flying and it gave me real goose bumps. With Concorde flying - wait another 50 years and then you can have some measurable impact ....Michael J.

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