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thats looks nice. lets see how many bugs.hopefully none

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That particular video has been out for a year now, I think most people have seen it. Yes it does look awesome.Jeff

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Looks nice, I just hope they get the systems down pat. I wasn't very impressed with the cockpit, it's nice, but WAY too clean, way too 'perfect', I don't think there's a C-130 flying that looks the way that cockpit does.Nice, just hope it's more than eye candy.

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Eye candy? From CS? Surely you're joking. These are the guys with the best reputation in the business for delivering what they say they're going to deliver. Don't you read the boards?billg

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Haha!Hey, just watched the video again. SPOILERS!!!!! You've got to be kidding me. Tell me there's an flight engineer somewheres helping them with this. Those "spoilers" are the Air Deflector Doors for the Paratroop Doors, LOL. AND, I think the Coastie C-130 was going a little faster than 150KIAS when he deployed the "spoiler".I know people make mistakes, but come on, a C-130 with spoilers, haha.

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They say it's in beta testing. From what has been said on the boards from some beta testers is that they report bugs and then the bugs dont get fixed. I figure they should just release it let the paying customers beta test it (a la 707) dont fix the bugs and then disappear for a while and then release another product. Seems to have worked well for them so far.:-mad

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>Please guy's, let's not turn this into a flaming postBut yes, that video came out a month or so before the Avsim convention last year...

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Hmmm, I jumped a few times, and I don't want a reflector whatever in my face next time. billg

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>I know people make mistakes, but come on, a C-130 with>spoilers, haha.1. Yes, that's one year old Alpha video2. The "Air Deflector Doors" topic has been beaten to death several times. We DO know those are Air Deflector Doors and now they work right.3. The Herk is not out for Beta testing yet, so any comments on "some beta testers" sounds strange. http://www.captainsim.net/pix/avsim_forum.gifwww.captainsim.com

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Ooh good! They're reading the forums.So when is the 707 getting patched? And the forums opened? And why are you showing alpha videos of a product which is clearly and by your own admission incorrect, yet issuing press releases telling everyone it's `almost` in beta? I'm sure we are all most looking forward to your reply.Allcott

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Okay, okay, I can buy the fact that the video is old, therefore, I'll let the spoilers thing go. I just thought it was really funny, 'course I never saw it debated around at all, but that doesn't mean anything.Obviously, judgement on the aircraft will have to be delayed until the aircraft is released, but there's nothing wrong with criticism, mocking or otherwise for a payware aircraft in beta!! If there were, people would never release shots of anything in beta, and then how would you know something was wrong with it?

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Of course, it would help if they didn't try to give the impression that the video was new!And the spoilers thing was debated in the Captain Sim forums over a year ago. The forums that were later deleted by the developer because they didn't like what they were reading - mainly about the abysmal state of the 707. Which they still havent patched to a useable configuration. It looks lovely though, just like the Herc.I will think long and hard before I invest any more money in what I call `shadow` developers - big name, big presence then one day - whoosh! - they disappear back into the shadows, leaving customers in the lurch with threats and accusations. It's all very well saying don't turn this into a flame war, but CS have a LONG way to travel to recover their lost reputation in many simmers eyes - and we won't get fooled again, no matter how pretty the year-old videos are.Allcott

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>Of course, it would help if they didn't try to give the>impression that the video was new!Actually we didn't. Why did you think so?>And the spoilers thing was debated in the Captain Sim forums>over a year ago. The forums that were later deleted by the>developer because they didn't like what they were reading ->mainly about the abysmal state of the 707. The forum was not deleted. Many people know about hackers attack on PHBB forums in November-December, and we were not an exception.You all have great places to talk about everything you like. And we have opened new site with new features and keep improving it to provide all our customers with support and feedback. There is the section "Share Tips and Tricks" where you can post them, we will check them and publish for everybody. You can ask question, read FAQ section, etc.,etc.>>I will think long and hard before I invest any more money in>what I call `shadow` developers - big name, big presence then>one day - whoosh! - they disappear back into the shadows,>leaving customers in the lurch with threats and accusations.Everybody is welcome to our Support Section http://www.captainsim.com/support/, nobody will be left without attention.

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>You all have great places to talk about everything you like.>And we have opened new site with new features and keep>improving it to provide all our customers with support and>feedback. There is the section "Share Tips and Tricks" where>you can post them, we will check them and publish for>everybody. You can ask question, read FAQ section, etc.,etc.I appreciate the new CS site. But in the mentioned "Share Tips and Tricks" section I can only post some text. And it's up to CS whether to publis it or not. There is no chance to answer to posts of other board members. At least I didn't find any. That means to me there will be no customer to customer support, a commonly great resource of information. And you will hardly find any critical statement published. I'm a satisfied owner of the CS727 and I was about to buy the 707. But I was hold off by all that problems I read about. I understand that CS don't want such posts and I'm sure that there are always a few guys they will never know what fair comments are. But to withdraw any opportunity to publish one customers opinion without censorship seems to me that CS really has something to hide. Look at the PMDG forum. You will see that it is not free of criticism. IMHO PMDG and CS are both great developers, but PMDG has a much better overall standing in the public than CS. I think, it's not only a matter of product quality but also a matter of treatment. But, once again, this is only my personal opinion.Regards from Germany, Tom.

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Let's clarify the terminology, "support" and "forum" are quite different things: 1. If you are looking for SUPPORT, please just use this Support System: http://www.captainsim.com/cgi-bin/kb.pl. It is proved to be way more effective and convenient place to get a support than browsing through a mix of thousands alike topics/postings on forums. 2. If you are willing to HELP OTHERS, share some Tips and Tricks - please use this section: http://www.captainsim.com/cgi-bin/kb.pl?action=share 3. If you would like to take part in our Contests, Polls, Surveys - please use this section: http://www.captainsim.com/user/wap.html 4. If you are looking for Captain Sim news, announcements, previews etc - they are availble at out our web site. 5. If you would like to talk to Captain Sim team members please use this page: http://www.captainsim.com/company/contact.html 6. If you need a community place, place TO TALK, to share your experience - please use any of your favorite forums. We do not have such a forum because we are not sure if our customers really need one. But if we receive enough requests to open "Captain Sim Community forum", we will open one.http://www.captainsim.net/pix/avsim_forum.gifwww.captainsim.com

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So, still no word on when the 707 is getting patched then? Lots of `spin` from the PR guy, lots of look at what we DO have from the developer, but lets look at what you don't have:1: A usable 7072: A released Herc3: An open and honest forum for the free and frank discussion of the products.or4: A straight answer to a straight questionNow, which of those were you not aware of from reading forums such as this over the last year?Is it just me, or does this `divide and conquer` routine smack of the worst excesses of politicians, desperate for re-election? Never a straight answer to a straight question, just more PR spin: It is OBVIOUS that CS customers want a forum. It is now equally OBVIOUS CS are afraid/unwilling to provide one. Everything from CS is `coming soon`, so until that `coming soon` becomes `here and now - and tested` my money and thatof most other simmers won't be coming until much later. There's no doubt CS have a core of talented developers - their visuals are consistently stunning - but EVERYTHING else about that company consistently lets the side down, and I don't know how much clearer we can make it before CS realises that they have to provide what the customer wants, not what they want to provide the customer with. Anyway, the Herc may be on my shopping list, when CS have released the second or third patch for it, when there is a genuine forum to support it, not a bunch of tricky-arse FAQ's and when it's been reviewed by several simmers sites as worthy of the transaction.I said I wouldn't involve myself with CS ever again, but if those terms ARE met, then it shows CS that all may not be lost. Good luck CS.Allcott

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>So, still no word on when the 707 is getting patched then?>Lots of `spin` from the PR guy, lots of look at what we DO>have from the developer, but lets look at what you don't>have:>1: A usable 707>2: A released Herc>3: An open and honest forum for the free and frank discussion>of the products.>or>4: A straight answer to a straight question>>Now, which of those were you not aware of from reading forums>such as this over the last year?>>Is it just me, or does this `divide and conquer` routine smack>of the worst excesses of politicians, desperate for>re-election? Never a straight answer to a straight question,>just more PR spin: It is OBVIOUS that CS customers want a>forum. It is now equally OBVIOUS CS are afraid/unwilling to>provide one. >Everything from CS is `coming soon`, so until that `coming>soon` becomes `here and now - and tested` my money and thatof>most other simmers won't be coming until much later. There's>no doubt CS have a core of talented developers - their visuals>are consistently stunning - but EVERYTHING else about that>company consistently lets the side down, and I don't know how>much clearer we can make it before CS realises that they have>to provide what the customer wants, not what they want to>provide the customer with. I'll second every word. I for myself will stop buying anything from CS until they are willing to provide an open platform for discussion as they had with their old forum. And I'll do the same with PSS. To make it clear, I like the products of CS as well as of PSS, but it seems to me their kind of censorship will lengthen an bugfix/upgrade process compared to the companies without such restrictions. And I don't like to fight for customer rights other developers/companies take for granted. Therefore at the moment I will stick with PMDG/LDS/RFP/DF.Regards, Tom.

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Your reasons for no forum are just hogwash. I'm soo sorry I sent CS my money for the 707 and to see them still coming out here ignoring all requests for a useable product that we paid for is insulting.I'd advise everyone avoid Captain Sim if you don't want a bunch of B.S. aircraft that look good parked but once the parking brake is released, look out.I really wish I could be positive here on this subject but that is an impossibility when dealing with Captain Sim.

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Again, I don't know how much clearer we can possibly be for CS to realise what is needed. For all that, it is refreshing to see a thread discussing them that hasn't yet dropped into the usual slagging. We all agree there are positives, but that they are outweighed by the negatives. So there is your challenge CS. Stop wasting your time on a Herc many want but no-one will buy and fix the REAL issues first.Allcott

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I'll be in line to get the Herc the day its released. My faith in Captain Sim remains sturdy as ever. What exactly is the complaint with the 707? Mine works fine? It looks good, flys well (albeit with minor bugs, but it remains workable), and I use it for plenty of successful long-haul flights worldwide, coupled with the CIVA INS. I also own and fly regularly the CS Starfighter, Mig, 727, and I even enjoy some fun in the Yak quite regularly.I hope that the CS team realises that not everyone is dissatisfied with their products.Keep working Captain Sim, and rest assured your efforts are appreciated in some quarters.

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that was a plural that on these boards dosn't count. You seem to make it seem that there is more than one happy customer, and, as far as I can see, you are it. Good for you. I'm happy for you. Later...billg

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He's just stating his opinion, just as you have before, why do you have to be condescending?Jeff

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Oh well.. I'm really looking forward to the Herc, for as long as it's been announced now.I'm sorry to hear people having problems with their hard-cash-paid products and still hope, for them, that they get solved. And I can fully understand their point of view for being careful next time! And being grim for their still unsolved problems.For me, not a current CS customer, yet (while having dozens of other current- and past released paid planes), that leaves me two options:#1. Look at what others have to say and base my buy on their experiences.#2. Buy, and hope for the best.Personally, I already desided to pick #2.As I said, I really look forward to a great Herc and I hope the CS one will be all that.If it needs a patch, which ALWAYS remains to be seen, than I hope there will be one... or two.. or whatever is needed!I do know one thing with absolute certainty though: if nobody buys that Herc, than, if needed, there surely won't EVER be a patch!just my two cents..StormChaser

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I have their 727 and their 707, their 727 is awesome infact I believe that Avsim reviewed it and gave it 4 stars, but you may want to double check. Their 707 is perfectly flyable, but needs a little work as far as the fancy stuff like some of their electrical and pressurization systems and what not. They are definately one of the tier one developers, but like I said the 707 isn't up to the standards that they set with their other airplanes. Many people will swear by their Mig 21 and infact Avsim reviewed that as well. I'm in the same position you are, as far as I'm excited about the Herc, but hope it will be worth the wait.Jeff

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