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Having kept up with the beta issues it'll be a while before I install this one - expensive "freeware" or not :-) . Doug

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Yea, I will hold off for a while myself.

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why do you think there is a beta?It's attitudes like yours that cause problems with people getting infected by trojans and virusses despite the updates to prevent infection having been around for weeks or months.

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Sure Jeroen. My waiting to hold off on installing an update because I don't know how it will affect my computer is so outta line. PFFFFFFFFFT!

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Oh I'll be holding off on this one for a while myself. I can only imagine the problems that will occur. Something tells me they aren't spening much of their time focusing on how sims will perform with this... :)

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It's a public Release Candidate, with RC2 due on the 7th. MS need as many folks as possible to get behind them to ensure its stability and iron-out any issues pre-final.IMO, a leviathan task that should reap rewards for both end-users AND MS. All very well holding off for now, but don't expect to be listened to if you find bugs with the final distribution that could so easily have been fixed at Release Candidate level.

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As ever, Jeroen gives us constructive and happy responses :) (:-eek)

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Im sure MS can be successful even if I wait a couple of months or more to DL this. I remember the effect SP1 had on my sims... I guarantee an incompatible 3rd party app, or some other problem will cause a problem on my otherwise stable PC. EJ

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LOL, no way am I using my system to uncover bugs for M$. I've got the thing running just the way I want it to and I'm not messing with this till I know its not going to impact negatively on overall system performance. I've had far more trouble in the past with virus protection software than I have with the viri themselves...actually, I've never had a virus.

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I frankly don't care what you think of my "attitude". As far as virus and trojans being a problem, here's my static IP address - 65.7.142.51, and here's my e-mail address - w2dr@bellsouth.net . Feel free to try and break this machine any way you want. Have a nice day.Doug

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Hmmm, common misconception, you DON'T need to have the service packs to get the security issue patches, they are there for all to get, regardless of which service pack you have.I ALWAYS wait until its absoloutly essential to get the service packs, in my experiance they can be more of a headache than a good thing.Dan.

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I've been using the Service Pack 2 betas ever since they were available.It is quite a major update, especially when it comes to security. A totally revamped firewall, new Outlook Express that is more secure, and a new Security Center which places all security information in one place. Firewall, Anti-virus, Automatic Updates, all can be managed from this one module.It makes keeping your computer more secure easier. For the vast majority of users for whom anti-virus, firewalls, are all a bit esoteric, the Security Center will make it easier for them to keep their computers more secure.I have not experience any system crippling bugs with the release candidates so far. It would behoove you to install it when Microsoft makes it available.Failure of people to install critical updates on their system is one of the main reasons viruses and worms are so successful now. A few of the recent worms and viruses would have not been so bad had people installed critical updates on their system.I find it kinda funny to see how many people here are paranoid about installing Microsoft's updates, when the failure to install those updates are the source of so many problems.

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>I find it kinda funny to see how many people here are paranoid>about installing Microsoft's updates, when the failure to>install those updates are the source of so many problems.Glad to see your the expert about whats best for my computer. :-tollIn any case, I have had bad experiences installing updates blindly from Microsoft. I do recollect one patch slowed the computer down so much that FS became a slideshow. And thats just one update. It is my practice to not wait forever to install an update - rather I wait and make sure that people are not experiencing adverse affects from the updates. If that attitude is wrong well sorry, but I don't really find fault with it.

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With an up to date firewall and a decent virus protection program, you don't NEED these heavy handed "upgrades".Maybe one day MS will release an OS without such gapping wide security flaws in that won't require CONSTANT updating.yeah right.Dan.

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>Maybe one day MS will release an OS without such gapping wide>security flaws in that won't require CONSTANT updating.If checking windows update every couple of days is too taxing for you, perhaps you should try enjoying Flight Simulator on Linux.

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>In any case, I have had bad experiences installing updates>blindly from Microsoft. I do recollect one patch slowed the>computer down so much that FS became a slideshow. And thats>just one update. It is my practice to not wait forever to>install an update - rather I wait and make sure that people>are not experiencing adverse affects from the updates. If>that attitude is wrong well sorry, but I don't really find>fault with it.The problem isn't with computer savvy people like you, but rather with the vast majority of computer users would don't know much about computers. It is these people who cause you to have dozens of infected emails everyday.This service pack hopes to help that problem a bit because Security Center is always telling you "You don't have a firewall", "You don't have anti virus installed", "You don't have Automatic Updates on" etc. And it will keep telling you until you do something about it (which it will tell you how to do something about it).Service Pack 2 is a good upgrade. Considering FS runs as well with it as with a fresh installation of Windows (for me anyway), again, it would behoove you to install it when Microsoft releases it officially.

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>If checking windows update every couple of days is too taxing>for you, perhaps you should try enjoying Flight Simulator on>Linux.Oh boy, what I wouldn't give for that :)

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>Service Pack 2 is a good upgrade. Considering FS runs as well>with it as with a fresh installation of Windows (for me>anyway), again, it would behoove you to install it when>Microsoft releases it officially.I have no doubt I will install it; I will just wait a couple of days :)

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Taxing?, no of course not, but surely it is possible to produce and OS that is not so flawed in the security department?Oh hang on, it is, like you said Linux, but unfortunatly while MS has a strangle hold on the PC market we will all have to stuck with windows for the foreseeable future :)CheersDan.

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I don't really think the Wondows OS is so bad. I mean, while its true that theres some security holes, its also true that 99% of the viruses and trojans that cuase so many problems for people and businesses are able to do so becuase uninformed individuals insist on opening files attached to emails that contain messages like "is this you?", or "recognise it?", or "wasn't this your account?" Is SP2 going to make those folks wake up? I doubt it. I haven't had any AV software installed in nearly six years, nor do I run a firewall. Never had a virus or worm. Every once in a while I get curious and go and run Trend Micro's online scanner. So far its never found a thing. Now, I'm not recomending that for everyone and certainly not for any business systems but my home PC is used almost exclusively for gaming and game related stuff (painting models and so forth) and web surfing. Theres nothing on this PC that would be a major loss and I'm the only one who really uses it so I'm able to keep a pretty close eye on what gets downloaded and so forth. Its entirely possible to operate a PC without AV stuff and firewalls gumming up the works as long as you are armed with some knowledge and have tight control of the system. I do certainly check in with Windows update regularly and keep up to date with the sec patchs but I'll hold off on SP2 till I am reasonably sure its not going to cuase more trouble than its worth.

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All MS bashing aside, XP SP1 was a very smooth release for most people, and I would hope that SP2 will be the same. Still, I will probably wait a week just to be safe.

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