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Matt talking about the EDMP why would the crew pressurize the HYD before start?

Like was posted, to keep the yoke from smacking you while you preflight and to help stabilize the plane for IRS initialization in very gusty conditions.

Matt Cee

There is a separate post going on about the NGX reboot from FS2Crew, which has updated procedures to be more realistic then what they are now. I think they are making it so it has more flexibility in it as well

Chris Smith

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SWA has done 20-min turns, I read somewhere that they used the NASCAR pit crew as a working model, and a few others have studied it but it is difficult to reproduce.

 

I know we did that when I worked at Independence Air. I even have a pin with a checkerboard flag with "Pit Crew" written on it that they handed out during training. For us, though, while we had positions assigned, we also worked multiple positions. Four rampies per gate group, six planes per group, staggered departures for each group no more than 30 min.

Kyle Rodgers

I know we did that when I worked at Independence Air. I even have a pin with a checkerboard flag with "Pit Crew" written on it that they handed out during training. For us, though, while we had positions assigned, we also worked multiple positions. Four rampies per gate group, six planes per group, staggered departures for each group no more than 30 min.

 

Hah! They did that at Mesaba, too. I think it must've been something that spread at an RAA conference. Mesaba's version seemed be:

 

"Let's buy some vests that say Pit Crew on them. That'll totally improve our performance!"

 

But what about staffing enough people to have them do the jobs like a pit crew?

 

"No, no, no! Did you see the vests?!? They have racing stripes!"

Matt Cee

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Hah! They did that at Mesaba, too. I think it must've been something that spread at an RAA conference.

 

Haha - probably.

 

Despite Mesaba's story, our ramp was pretty well tuned, despite the lower numbers. I usually use the IAD A Gates as an example of intelligent staffing with good workers versus numbers staffing with poor workers.

 

When I was with IDE it was:  4 rampies per group, 6 planes per group, staggered departures for each group no more than 30 min.

When I was with UAX it was: 8-10 rampies per group, 5-6 planes per group, staggered departures for each group between 10-60 min.

 

It's kinda sad how often people overlook inefficiencies. When I raised my voice about the staffing and efficiency when working the latter, all I got was a "well this isn't Independence Air, and they clearly don't mean much because they went bankrupt."

 

...except they didn't go bankrupt because of their 2nd overall on-time performance in 2005 (versus the major carriers), which was directly attributed to the ramp/maint. They went bankrupt because of other financial blunders. But hey...who needs to save money?

Kyle Rodgers

The thing I never understood was why it made sense to someone to have a plane costing $1500/hr waiting because they wouldn't hire someone for $7/hr.

 

I'm no math genius, but I'm pretty sure that's not good.

Matt Cee

  • Commercial Member

The thing I never understood was why it made sense to someone to have a plane costing $1500/hr waiting because they wouldn't hire someone for $7/hr.

 

I'm no math genius, but I'm pretty sure that's not good.

 

I can see it both ways, really. The extra manpower is required in some cases, but in the case of IAD, it was too many people, with inefficient gate planning, stacked on top of people who just weren't really motivated to get the job done (which was sad, because that was 'infectious' to the people who showed up actually caring for a month or two).

 

So far, that's the only job I've ever outright quit. It was really, literally that bad.

Kyle Rodgers

I think this goes through a lot of industries. I work in IT, systems and networks, and companies constantly under staff IT departments. It's insane, companies now a days relay on IT so much, I've seen staff sent home under big failures, that to understaff a department that is ensuring the company runs, is a little strange. But, it is what it is

Chris Smith

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