Hi,Well well,... so it

Not really a big surprise, but still sad.Some other words come to my mind to comment this, but better not in public ...Mike

It's very sad that the CS707 fiasco is still going on. Don't these developers read forums any more?? What's going on???

>It's very sad that the CS707 fiasco is still going on. Don't>these developers read forums any more?? What's going on???Hi,Obviously, they live in their own fantacy world. ;-)Fly safe, Staffan AhlbergSweden/Stockholm/ESSAhttp://www.scandicair.com/images/dc9_banner.jpg"I will come and cut your lawn for a high quality DC8-63 system"[/color]My specs are:Dell Dimension 4600 P4/3.0 Ghz1024 Mb DDR333 Dual channel memory (2x256,1x512)128 Mb ATI Radeon 9800 ProOmega 2.5.58DirectX 9.0cW XP Home with SP1E171FPb Flat panel monitor 17"240Gb (2x120) 7200rpm HD

Couldn't have put it better myself!

I could have. Fantasy, not fantacy

Staffan and others,Thank you for pursuing the plight of so many other keen 'sim' pilots that bought the 'Legendary 707'.The first time I flew it, I was amazed with the FDE and was more than impressed with it's handle-ability.It was obvious to me why it was that 'John Travolta' bought one for his own personal use! He is another one that was suitably impressed too, actually buying a real one must be the thought of many of us that can only dream about it?The reason for my posting is to say that "There is many more like me, that cannot find any 'bugs' because of our lack of knowledge of how the real '707' should perform.I admire you guys for your exceptional extra knowledge but don't necessarily envy you it.'C.S' have, as I have read come in for a lot of 'stick' over this which in my opinion is a little unfair. If the product was priced at an exceptional high price, as is another well known '737' we all know about, then the designers would be expecting the amount of criticism that has abounded this product?At the end of the day, 'you get what you pay for' and I know that a lot will say that other cheaper software suppliers get things right but that is all to OUR advantage and pleasure. We should, in my opinion never 'knock' suppliers as they are the real backbone of our hobby.Blame the reviewers and the beta testers for being out of their depth in their appraisal and testing of this product but for me, it is acceptable.The fact that PMDG and LVL-D have set a cheaper level of accuracy is to all our advantage but while enjoying their products, let's not forget the pioneers like 'C.S' for giving us, at the time some first class (Then) products that have probably at the moment given us all many previous happy hours flying for pleasure. I do hope that Captain Sim do not 'pull the plug' on their sim products as a result of this problem? Maybe and hopefully they will update their standards to attain the previous mentioned suppliers precision.Happy and enjoyable flying to you all,Dave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/

Dave download and fly a freeware VC 10 from Mr.Maltby's site http://www.dmflightsim.co.uk/vickers_vc10.htm and then compare the FM with the CS 707. I'm sure your opinion will change. And did I mention it's free ;)

Dave,I fully understand the 707 is acceptable if someone doesn't know much of the 707. Or is just happy with the visual model.The viewpoint gets different if you look to the advertisements on the Captainsim site :Quote:The add-on was designed by professional jet pilots and engineers and consulted by the 707 rated pilots and technicans.So to whom is this then targeted if you read it ? Also to 707 experts or not ? And then even the beta testers were completely surprised and puzzled by a release somewhere in the beta period. And the product was only marginally repaired and now just put in a box for what it's worth. And that shall be normal ?Mike

>Staffan and others,>At the end of the day, 'you get what you pay for' and I know>that a lot will say that other cheaper software suppliers get>things right but that is all to OUR advantage and pleasure. We>should, in my opinion never 'knock' suppliers as they are the>real backbone of our hobby.>>Blame the reviewers and the beta testers for being out of>their depth in their appraisal and testing of this product but>for me, it is acceptable.>Dave,That last statement is very stupid considering you were not part of the CS707 beta process. Maybe that's a good thing as you would not have found any problems with it. Not that it would matter considering the condition of it. I, on the other hand, was a beta tester and take offence to such comments. For the record, the CS707 had a single beta release on which I found 138 errors/bugs to correct. This one and only beta was not followed up with fixed/de-bugged betas or release candidates and went straight to sale with only a few more liveries added complete with all the bugs previously found. Instead of laying blame on the beta testers, point your blame on CS for being, in your words, out of their depth in their appraisal and testing of this product. Now leave those who did not make a cent testing this prodoct out of your defence of CS's inadequate developement process.Cheers,JohnBoeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanichttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpg

>>That last statement is very stupid considering you were not>part of the CS707 beta process. Maybe that's a good thing as>you would not have found any problems with it. Not that it>would matter considering the condition of it. I, on the other>hand, was a beta tester and take offence to such comments. >>For the record, the CS707 had a single beta release on which I>found 138 errors/bugs to correct. This one and only beta was>not followed up with fixed/de-bugged betas or release>candidates and went straight to sale with only a few more>liveries added complete with all the bugs previously found. >>Instead of laying blame on the beta testers, point your blame>on CS for being, in your words, out of their depth in their>appraisal and testing of this product. Now leave those who did>not make a cent testing this prodoct out of your defence of>CS's inadequate developement process.>>Cheers,>>John>>Boeing 727/737 & Lockheed C-130/L-100 Mechanic>>http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/ng_driver.jpgHi John, and Mike Apha,The information you have given me was not known to me. If that is the case then, the fault is totally Captain Sim's.I commented on just what I have read in the forums and given my impressions of the aircraft. If by doing so I have offended anyone, I am sorry........and Mike, I still love flying that 'TU-154' the quality and the content of that aircraft is the most intricate and absorbing I have seen for freeware. Just wish I knew a bit of Russian, hehe.As for the other unsigned responder, yes, I do understand what you mean regarding quality.Thanks for the offer of my mate 'Maltby's VC-10' which I was awe-struck with when I was using it but, David Chester's version that I use now is much, much better. Dave T. .........On the lovely warm Devon Riviera and active 'FlightSim User's Group' member at http://www.flightsimgrpuk.free-online.co.uk/

I wish I had read this post before I bought that piece of trash Captainsim 707! What a dissapointment! Those guys are running a scam. I know I cannot get my money back, but one thing is for sure: I will not buy any of their products ever again! x(regards,Macs

From where I sit and observe this and other recent threads regarding C.S. The offering from Justshite is as they have done with others, simply a dressed up version, no major fixes done (otherwise it's resonable to assume C.S. would have made a big noise)Of course Justshite will make claims it's fixed, otherwise who would buy from the online community ?I think it's in all probability so, that Captain Sim dont realy give a toss as retail sales numbers will very likely exceed the online sales, thus earning them more money and without having to support as the onus for this lies (not a mistake) with the publisher.Personally, I would never buy a product of either Captain Scam oopps Sim or JF after reading much hype from both only to discover the truths later on, via forums such as here and independant reviews. Of course many will disagree but to coin the phrase used on many occassions by both these outfits, have any of us been 707 / 727 pilots ? Well no, but I'm sure if the real thing was as dog rough as these, Boeing would not have sold so many units.Lets not forget the Ruskies now have a big fat advance cheque, so will they care ? AshOn a personal note, C.S. use the example of Andrew Herd from All nodes down,I don't have much respect left for AH in his skill as a reviewer esp as I understand now he's on the All nodes team.......could advertising revenue have something to do with this do you think ? Which lead to problems either glossed over or not mentioned, very strange.

"On a personal note, C.S. use the example of Andrew Herd from All nodes down,I don't have much respect left for AH in his skill as a reviewer esp as I understand now he's on the All nodes team.......could advertising revenue have something to do with this do you think ? Which lead to problems either glossed over or not mentioned, very strange."I agree ashleigh, AH does no reviews, he just says nice things about all planes and products. Now, that is not a bad thing in itself as he may be a nice preson, but I don not put any weight on his reviews. We are paying for this product after all.regards,Macs

Hi all, I wonder if the pressu is among the other bugs or if I missed a switch.Anybody got it working ?Cheers, Philippe