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P3D V3 and VAS

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This is very preliminary observation.

 

There is no Q... the VAS available after loading the aircraft scenery is amazing.. I get close to 2G VAS available and often 2.5G VAS available after loading...PROVIDED I can load.

 

Let me explain.. When I am in Flightbeam KSFO and load one of P3D aircraft I get 2,5Gig available Thats good right?

 

But when I load the PMDG 777 and the SFO, I can;t even load..it fails saying memory issue...but VAS indicator shows I have not reached the VAS limit. 

 

Same thing with Dubai.. FT dubai and 777 I am unable to load.

 

so there is something going on at the time loading a flight... it maybe using the maximum VAS and then it sheds all the vAS it doesn't need? Possibly?  I am suspecting a bottle neck somewhere...during loading a flight.

 

Maybe a potential work around is, go to an airport first using a low quality aircraft and then load the complex aircraft. But  some aircraft (PMDG 777) needs to be selected right at the beginning not be changed. Althouh I have changed to PMDG 777 and they do work often.

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Hi Manny ,

 

just took off KIAD with the PMDG 777 bound to EDDM and hadn't had any problems  when loading , VAS usage was 2.6 , this is with ASN and settings way up , now 1 hour into flight VAS still 2.6

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Very strange Manny.

 

I've not gone over to v3 with PMDG yet. But it seems your doing it right, start v3 select flight, select the 777, start, I hear starting with a default aircraft then loading the PMDG has got some problems.

I've watched a few youtube vid's of the 777 at SFO so not sure what to say. Hope you get it sorted. I've been no help :sad:

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I started at  VABB (Mumbai) with PMDG 777-300 I was able to load and am flying towards OMDB (4x) I am about 500 miles from OMDB at FL30

 

I see 1.6G available in vAS displayed by FSUIPC.

 

But I got a pop up saying I am low on memory and that distinctive FSUIPC sound (warning of low memory). I closed the pop up but the flight is continuing.

 

This happened a couple of time already.. I simply closed that pop up. Not sure if FSUIPC has a added popup in addition to the sound. or is this the P3D v3 popup..not sure

 

Hmmm...

 

40 miles out of OMDB..crashes with Out of memory even thou the indicator shows 1.5G

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New Discovery:

 

Bug in FSUIPC (the new beta version). When you see 2.5G available its actually 250mb available or close to that.

 

Its overstating the VAS available. Whenever I landed on an airport I see 2.5 to 2G ofs VAS available and I went WOW at the P3D v3 yet I was getting, out of memory error.

 

Since the FSUIPC installs on all the sims.. I went back to my P3D v2.3 (yeah I was still in 2.3) to do some real flying with the CS 727 over Sedona.

 

Guess what I find?.. I see that I have 2.3Gigs of VAS available in Pd3 V2.3 too! 

 

:Tounge:

 

If you still have your P3d V2..go ahead and try it for yourself!

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Are you sure that 2.5 is VAS available...? Isn't it VAS used...? I don't use FSUIPC but looking at the numbers you posted I wonder if you aren't reading that information the wrong way around.

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Are you sure that 2.5 is VAS available...? Isn't it VAS used...? I don't use FSUIPC but looking at the numbers you posted I wonder if you aren't reading that information the wrong way around.

 

Hmm... some else can confirm..I thought it was how much was left... in any case..even if it used up only 2.5G..then there remains 1.5 Gig left..right? Even that does not add up.

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Are you sure that 2.5 is VAS available...? Isn't it VAS used...? I don't use FSUIPC but looking at the numbers you posted I wonder if you aren't reading that information the wrong way around.

No FSUIPC reports amount available not what was used, You'll start pinging around 250MB left and die somewhere south of 175MB. Manny you can verify your theory by checking it with Process Explorer. Also verify you are using the correct offset in FSUIPC it's 024c/s32 in FSX. It may have changed in P3D with the new version.

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No FSUIPC reports amount available not what was used, You'll start pinging around 250MB left and die somewhere south of 175MB. Manny you can verify your theory by checking it with Process Explorer. Also verify you are using the correct offset in FSUIPC it's 024c/s32 in FSX. It may have changed in P3D with the new version.

 

Tom I did process explorer but I forgot how to read it... which one of those is the vAS available? do you know? if not I can post the screenshot here.

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Process explorer will show how much is used look in the Virtual size column of the P3D process. To figure out what's left, just subtract from 4GB. That's why I like the FSUIPC monitor as it does that for you!!

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Process explorer will show how much is used look in the Virtual size column of the P3D process. To figure out what's left, just subtract from 4GB. That's why I like the FSUIPC monitor as it does that for you!!

 

this is what I got

 

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That says the value you're seeing in FSUIPC is correct. Yet you are still OOMing? That is strange.

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That says the value you're seeing in FSUIPC is correct. Yet you are still OOMing? That is strange.

 

 

You know..now I am realizing it may not be OOM.. I get  something similar The "pop up" I keep talking about is this.

 

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 it says close "Prepar3D" The pop up I keep mentioning is this windiow

 

BTW.. I have posted this at PEte's support page (its not his issue...I thought it was FSUIPC was reportingt VAS wrong... now I am realizing its something else..something new for me.

 

So I have posted this on Prepar3D forum too.

 

edited to add:

 

This is Page file issue and now I remember I swapped my FSX SSD to a 1TB SSD for the new P3D V3 and that smaller SSD is running out of space..

 

 

I currently made it "system managed" and rebooted my machine.

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YES that was the issue

 

I created a new Page file and  now I am able to load my PMDG 777 in Flightbeam's KSFO!

 

:smile:  :smile:  :smile:  :smile:

 

https://youtu.be/Pze9ZtfBChM

 

IF folks have been swapping HD or SSDs around your page file is in one of these you may want to put it in the proper location. :P

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YES that was the issue

 

I created a new Page file and  now I am able to load my PMDG 777 in Flightbeam's KSFO!

 

:smile:  :smile:  :smile:  :smile:

 

https://youtu.be/Pze9ZtfBChM

 

IF folks have been swapping HD or SSDs around your page file is in one of these you may want to put it in the proper location. :P

 

Great, glad you found the problem!! I'm curious though what size (memory) is your graphics card? You seem to have a larger available VAS then most, I've seen.

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I have an older GTX 670 2GB

 

I have lots of VAS cause I kept reducing my settings to get over this OOM issue like I thouight.

 

Now I have this solved, I am slowing increasing it...until I get real OOM.. HA HA HA! 

 

Whelp! I just bought Flightbeam KSFO. I have now added AI aircrafts..upped the autogens a bit..moved the sliders to the right... Tsk tsk before I moved the sliders to the right, with AI aircrafts Iit went down to 750MB and then pretty soon, it went back up to 1.2GB again.

 

LEts see what I get now with my sliders to the right.

 

:)

 

edited to add: I got it to 950MB ..I think I'll leave it there for now...  I have things fairly to the right... AI is 100% PMDG 777 in KSFO.. Hey I am happy.....for now! :)

 

I just don't have ORBX added yet.

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It truly is amazing what LM has achieved regarding VAS.

 

Did a flight around Flytampa EKCH Copenhagen (were i live) and setting LOD at 6.5 and HD2048 with HD texture pack installed and in SLI . Complexity maxed and Autogen on Dense and shadows cranked pretty up in the PMDG 777. Same for Water on high and reflections on . MT6 at 20% -Traffic manager at 50

 

SLI showing around 40-70% on both cards

 

VAS was around 3.1-3.3 GB

 

That would have not been possible with 2.5

 

KSFO-KLAX about the same 3.1-3.3 GB used.

 

Interesting to see when we ad UTX and ORBX products but still a nice and adjustable way . Now we can really safe settings for our landing airport and load it before the flight or on the go maybe ? Great

 

Michael Moe 

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It truly is amazing what LM has achieved regarding VAS.

 

Did a flight around Flytampa EKCH Copenhagen (were i live) and setting LOD at 6.5 and HD2048 with HD texture pack installed and in SLI . Complexity maxed and Autogen on Dense and shadows cranked pretty up in the PMDG 777. Same for Water on high and reflections on . MT6 at 20% -Traffic manager at 50

 

SLI showing around 40-70% on both cards

 

VAS was around 3.1-3.3 GB

 

That would have not been possible with 2.5

 

KSFO-KLAX about the same 3.1-3.3 GB used.

 

Interesting to see when we ad UTX and ORBX products but still a nice and adjustable way . Now we can really safe settings for our landing airport and load it before the flight or on the go maybe ? Great

 

Michael Moe 

 

That sounds indeed great, but I think to many post such scenarios without having ORBX products installed and that can give a wrong picture. Don't you think? Yes, VAS usage is obviously optimized, but still...

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That sounds indeed great, but I think to many post such scenarios without having ORBX products installed and that can give a wrong picture. Don't you think? Yes, VAS usage is obviously optimized, but still...

 

You have a point there offcause but i dont think Global and OPENLC EU will add to much to VAS.

 

i know for sure UTX2.1 will add between 150-400mb (i am going only for road and lights aka =150mb)

 

Michael Moe

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Hi 

 

just made a flight EHAM KSFO with all settings to the right , AEROSOFT EHAM and FB KSFO , ORBX FTXG  (yes ) , and ASN weather , PMDG 777 with HD  KLM textures

 

The total flight duration was nearly 10 hours , real time , and VAS with landing was 3.1. , frames locked and steady at 30 , AA settings in NI inspector .

 

very very happy,

 

Best regards

 

Gérard

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Hi 

 

just made a flight EHAM KSFO with all settings to the right , AEROSOFT EHAM and FB KSFO , ORBX FTXG  (yes ) , and ASN weather , PMDG 777 with HD  KLM textures

 

The total flight duration was nearly 10 hours , real time , and VAS with landing was 3.1. , frames locked and steady at 30 , AA settings in NI inspector .

 

very very happy,

 

Best regards

 

Gérard

 

Hi!

 

Thanks for sharing, but with or without ORBX like Global etc?

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Hi 

 

just made a flight EHAM KSFO with all settings to the right , AEROSOFT EHAM and FB KSFO , ORBX FTXG  (yes ) , and ASN weather , PMDG 777 with HD  KLM textures

 

The total flight duration was nearly 10 hours , real time , and VAS with landing was 3.1. , frames locked and steady at 30 , AA settings in NI inspector .

 

very very happy,

 

Best regards

 

Gérard

 

 

Sounds Great  :wink:  :smile:  Any traffic ,road AI etc?

TML=2048 ?

 

EHAM is used to be a VAS killer also i think

Michael Moe

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Hi,

 

Yes , with FTX GLOBAL 

 

I know  it isn't officially supported with a new installer  but it is possible ...Traffic is with vatsim , road traffic 10%, lod 6.5 in the CFG wich is default and graphics 2048 , i m getting better results with P3dv3  than with fsx dx10.. and P3D 2.5...

At this moment i have P3Dv3 running and placed my PMDG 77W at gate A7 at  KSFO , departing tonight at 0045Z back to EHAM , and see what the VAS does after 11 hours at the gate and after that a flight of 9.35 hours into Ams

 

Gérard

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I just made a test myself at Flytampa OMDB in the Bonanza A36 and Baron 

 

P3Dv2 shows 2,928,000 used KB

P3Dv3 shows 2,112,000 used KB

 

:Tounge:

 

So about 600-700mb nice

 

EDIT: But it is also important to understand that memory does not seem to build up during the flight. That meens that we can have individually high settings saved per airport "knowing" we are within the limits . Thats just so great

 

Michael Moe

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