I know that there is a known issue with the ATC window not popping up and you have to do a work around on the Missionpanels.cfg file.    My question though; Is this also going to be an issue with other programs?   I just installed the new version of FS Captain and bought and installed the new version of FS2Crew Reboot and NONE of the 2D panels can be clicked on while using the PMDG 737NGX.  Bringing up the PMDG 737's own 2D cockpit panel also is completely unclickable.   2D panels and other 3rd party software seems to be working fine in other craft.    My horrible gut feeling is that this is related to the same problem making the ATC window useless unless you modify the missionpanels.cfg.   :(   That's a lot of software relying on 2D panel work that is going to be useless until there is a patch or something if that is the case.   Most disappointing in general if that is the case.   Ahhh the growing pains of a whole new version of a simulator I suppose.  Any insight on this would be appreciated.

I know that there is a known issue with the ATC window not popping up and you have to do a work around on the Missionpanels.cfg file.    My question though; Is this also going to be an issue with other programs?   I just installed the new version of FS Captain and bought and installed the new version of FS2Crew Reboot and NONE of the 2D panels can be clicked on while using the PMDG 737NGX.  Bringing up the PMDG 737's own 2D cockpit panel also is completely unclickable.   2D panels and other 3rd party software seems to be working fine in other craft.    My horrible gut feeling is that this is related to the same problem making the ATC window useless unless you modify the missionpanels.cfg.     That's a lot of software relying on 2D panel work that is going to be useless until there is a patch or something if that is the case.   Most disappointing in general if that is the case.   Ahhh the growing pains of a whole new version of a simulator I suppose.  Any insight on this would be appreciated.

 

http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a112/important-and-nearly-foolproof-steps-to-running-your-pmdg-product-in-prepar3d-v3.aspx

 

Most specifically Step 1. That one is hugely important.

http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a112/important-and-nearly-foolproof-steps-to-running-your-pmdg-product-in-prepar3d-v3.aspx

 

Most specifically Step 1. That one is hugely important.

 

#4 it is.   I have used the PMDG 737 for a looooong time now and never had issues with it.  For me, it was issue #4.  Turn off the logging garbage.   It also stopped the other bug.. the sim would load in almost instantly with the PMDG as my active plane and NONE of the scenery would be loaded yet so the 737 would shoot off across the ground, bouncing along the way at full speed while all the mesh, textures, autogen slowly loaded in with the plane in full powered up mode despite me having told it to load in a SHORT panel state.   Turning off both logging features put a stop to both issues.  Thanks for the response.   As usual, PMDG is tops in support and aircraft.   Peace!

I take back part of my success.  The 2D panels work now but the simulator is still randomly deciding to load in the PMDG aircraft by first minimizing the simulator to just the title bar then it opens it back up with the plane loaded in but none of the scenery has had a chance to load aka The Loading progress bar never pops up.. it just goes right into the sim without loading anything but the plane.  This results in the plane rocketing across the ground as the scenery slowly builds itself up while loading.   Only the PMDG has this behavior again.  None of the other planes do this and it doesn't do it all the time.  It's completely random.   I can start up the sim one session and spawn in correctly and other times when I boot up the aircraft loads and the scenery progress load bar does not.. it just throws me into the sim and lets the scenery build up around the aircraft.    Very strange behavior.     I have confirmed that I have done all the steps provided in the guide from you guys.    Don't know what is causing this loading quirk.

 

My download of the installers was done on 10/19, just a week ago.   Is there newer than this?

My download of the installers was done on 10/19, just a week ago.   Is there newer than this?

No. Your are current.

No. Your are current.

 

Okay.  Thanks for the clarification.   I wonder what is causing the simulator to sometimes to ignore waiting for everything to load before spawning in the aircraft.   I've never had this behavior in past P3D versions.   There would always be a second window bar pop up for the PMDG, showing that it was loading once it was done spinning up my 6 external hard drives, for whatever reason it needs to do that, then the simulator would start to load and everything would load together as should.   Now.. it's hit or miss in v3.0.   Sometimes it waits and loads properly and sometimes it just loads the PMDG, QUICK TOO, like just a few seconds, but the rest of the sim hasn't had time to load yet so it loads all around the plane and this has the added side-effect of making the plane bounce up and go rocketing across the non-existent terrain (I have crashes turned off or else I am sure the plane would register a crash into the ground).

What you are describing is not normal.

 

In fact, the description is so strange I have no idea what you're talking about. A second window for PMDG? The aircraft loading before the simulator? Rocketing across the empy world?  None of this is familiar.

 

Normally, when selecting the aircraft from the Scenario Setup along with location and time, the simulator does nothing until you OK the setup. There may follow a brief dark screen but it should open to the default view in the aircraft and the PMDG initialization willl count down from 20 to 0.  My description of normal is not of the same world as your description.

No, it's not normal behavior.  That's the whole point.    Normal flight is, pick a PMDG livery, flight plane, time of day.  Click okay.    The window opens for the simulator.  Progress load bar appears and loads everything;  Aircraft, Terrain, Autogen.  When it is at 100% the simulator comes to life, sitting in the cockpit at the gate I chose.  Fantastic.   Great.  That is a normal start up...

 

Then... there is the weird bug... where the load screen opens up then minimizes completely to just the P3D window title bar then it opens back up and I am in the cockpit of the PMDG but the Scenery, Terrain, Autogen progress load bar never appeared... it just threw me into the sim world with no sim.. but then the sim loads and terrain mesh, textures, 3D objects start to appear and adjust to the elevation data.   As there is no terrain yet, the plane falls out of the sky and bounces off the invisible mesh that has no textures on it yet and the plane suddenly comes to life and takes off soaring across the sky.  I'll see if I can't capture it on video and let the rest of you go whaaaaaaat?

 

For now, my work around is to just load in with the F22 then load the PMDG there.  I lose a little bit of VAS but it seems to work.

This gets odder, most people loose all mouse funtions in the VC if the F22 is loaded before the PMDG.... I've reviewed this thread from the beginning and it reads as if your symptoms have changed. You originally had unclickable panels, and you've modified the P3D configuration files.

 

Go back to a clean configuration, default configuration files and only load the sim and PMDG. Start troubleshooting from a clean slate if you can find one.

My Prepar3D.cfg is default.   The CFG mentioned above is from the workaround guide on getting the ATC window to appear because apparently it is a LM issue in regards to having too many gauges.    This weird behavior was happening long before I made that change.   At this point, I really don't feel like disassembling the entire simulator again to find a bug that only happens every few flights.

 

I am wondering if Kyle can tell me why all my external hard drives are forced to wake up when the PMDG starts loading.   No other aircraft I use requires this.    It makes the entire computer go into a Freeze state while the drives are spooling up.    When I had 2.5 this spool up would happen while still in the loading screen when I would pick a PMDG based aircraft.    Now, the aircraft atually loads in the preview window instantly but when I click the fly button that is when it decides to pause the PC to spool up all the externals.    Maybe this freeze while everything is waking up is what is causing the overall loading of the sim to freak out from time to time?   Is this call from the sim to wake up all the drives when loading a PMDG aircraft normal behavior?

I am wondering if Kyle can tell me why all my external hard drives are forced to wake up when the PMDG starts loading.   No other aircraft I use requires this.    It makes the entire computer go into a Freeze state while the drives are spooling up.    When I had 2.5 this spool up would happen while still in the loading screen when I would pick a PMDG based aircraft.    Now, the aircraft atually loads in the preview window instantly but when I click the fly button that is when it decides to pause the PC to spool up all the externals.    Maybe this freeze while everything is waking up is what is causing the overall loading of the sim to freak out from time to time?   Is this call from the sim to wake up all the drives when loading a PMDG aircraft normal behavior?

 

I very, very, highly doubt this is caused by us. Keep in mind, the wizards over at LM decided that in v3, devs could (/should?) install their aircraft anywhere they want, so I'm willing to bet it's more related to that.

 

Can you describe - in painstaking detail - how you launch the sim? I saw that in one of your posts, you're loading into the sim with the F22, and switching. This can cause all kinds of issues (the unclickable functions, namely).

*crawls up to Kyle and begs forgiveness*   I... didn't have the latest version of FSUIPC installed like I thought I did.  I installed it.  Loading problems went away.   Everything is right as rain.

*crawls up to Kyle and begs forgiveness*   I... didn't have the latest version of FSUIPC installed like I thought I did.  I installed it.  Loading problems went away.   Everything is right as rain.

 

haha - no forgiveness needed. Glad you have it sorted! Odd that it was caused by FSUIPC, but I guess I've seen weirder issues with the sim.

 

Ran across some of your YouTube videos the other day. Interesting stuff.

haha - no forgiveness needed. Glad you have it sorted! Odd that it was caused by FSUIPC, but I guess I've seen weirder issues with the sim.

 

Ran across some of your YouTube videos the other day. Interesting stuff.

 

I spoke too soon.   It did it again the other day when I spawned in at Flightbeam's KDEN but for now, I am fine with my personal work around.  I just immediately pause the sim.   Go up to the menu, click on Go To Airport, put my gate # back in and click okay and the sim brings up the loading status bar finally and loads the sim completely and parks the plane at the gate properly.    I don't know why it does this premature start in some airports but not others and why the 737NGX is the only plane that sometimes shows the behavior.    I know it's not the plane itself doing it but a combination of other factors and something 737 requires/needs during the load process.   As I have shoved a bunch of airports down version 3.0's throat since most airports don't have P3D v3.0 installers I am sure that probably isn't helping the stability of things but I refuse to wait any longer to get back to flying for my YouTube and Twitch channels.    *salute*   Look forward to the next big product from you guys!  747!  Vrooom vrooom!

As posted in another thread, just in case someone else is trying to figure out why their sim is minmizing and prematurely loading the PMDG 737 into the sim before the sim has had time to finish loading:

 

http://board.flightsim.ee/discussion/527/answered-pmdg-ngx-737-p3d-v3-version-strange-behaviour-with-migration-tool-installed