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One small problem with button control version

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I have done 3 flights and the only thing that doesn't seem to work in the button control version is the FO setting the RTO braking during the before taxi checklist and also auto braking during the descent checklist. . Is there something I am doing wrong?  

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In SOP 2, the Pilot Flying would set the brakes to RTO.

 

Why?

 

Because when doing the Brief, you hand control to the FO, making him the PF.

 

You then become the PNF.

 

As the PNF, you are responsible for items in the PNF's area of responsibility.

 

The autobrake knob is in the PNF's area of responsibility.

 

 

Clear as mud  :smile:

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In SOP 2, the Pilot Flying would set the brakes to RTO.

 

Why?

 

Because when doing the Brief, you hand control to the FO, making him the PF.

 

You then become the PNF.

 

As the PNF, you are responsible for items in the PNF's area of responsibility.

 

The autobrake knob is in the PNF's area of responsibility.

 

 

Clear as mud  :smile:

 

 

Regarding the RTO setting, on page 20 of the tutorial, it has the list of settings for the Before Taxi checklist.  

 

BEFORE TAXI CHECKLIST
GENERATORS (F) ON
PROBE HEAT (F) ON
ANTI-ICE (F) _____
ISOLATION VALVE (F) AUTO
ENGINE START SWITCHES (F) CONT
RECALL (F) CHECKED
AUTOBRAKE (F) RTO
ENGINE START LEVERS © IDLE DETENT
FLIGHT CONTROLS © CHECKED
DISPATCH CLEARANCE ( B) CHECKED
 
Doesn't this mean that the first officer is supposed to set the RTO?  

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The FO should have set the autobrake to RTO during the Preflight (page 14 in the tutorial).

 

The caveat at the top of the page is "TUTORIAL ASSUMES FO WILL DO IT BASED ON DEFAULT CONFIG OPTION"

 

He sets RTO on my setup, so it does work.

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The FO should have set the autobrake to RTO during the Preflight (page 14 in the tutorial).

 

The caveat at the top of the page is "TUTORIAL ASSUMES FO WILL DO IT BASED ON DEFAULT CONFIG OPTION"

 

He sets RTO on my setup, so it does work.

 

I guess I still have questions about where is the best place to start a flight when using either short turn around or long on the 737. Are you starting at the Pre Flight procedure on page 11 of the tutorial, or at the Pre Flight Checklist which is on page 15 of the tutorial?  Which is best? 

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I guess I still have questions about where is the best place to start a flight when using either short turn around or long on the 737. Are you starting at the Pre Flight procedure on page 11 of the tutorial, or at the Pre Flight Checklist which is on page 15 of the tutorial?  Which is best? 

 

Ah!  I see what you are doing.  I was assuming you were starting as a "crew change" or "first flight".  I your case, I believe you have to set RTO as part of your preflight (like Bryan mentioned).

 

Either way work, you just have to adjust to the procedure you're using.

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I use FS2Crew NGX Reboot all the time (somtimes 3 flights a day) and the FO always sets RTO, and I only ever use SOP 2 (Button).

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I use FS2Crew NGX Reboot all the time (somtimes 3 flights a day) and the FO always sets RTO, and I only ever use SOP 2 (Button).

 

Mike, where do you start the checklist exactly, in other words what page on the tutorial?   The other question I have is in the Setup CFG for the Button version there are these three settings. 

 

1.  FO   Power up Proc   - Yes

2.  FO   Prelim Proc           Yes

3.   Preflight SUP  Proc      Yes.  

 

Are these settings the way your's are set?  

 

Thanks,

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Where was my brain in my reply!

 

For some reason I was think about setting the autobrake for the landing.

 

 

Are you using any other software that my control the autobrake?

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Where was my brain in my reply!

 

For some reason I was think about setting the autobrake for the landing.

 

 

Are you using any other software that my control the autobrake?

 

 

No, no other software that would control autobrake. Are my settings in the cfg set correctly, that I posted above..

 

.1.  FO   Power up Proc   - Yes

2.  FO   Prelim Proc           Yes

3.   Preflight SUP  Proc      Yes.  

 

Someone else mentioned that maybe I am starting in the wrong place. I am starting at the Preflight checklist at middle of page 15 in the tutorial. When I run the Before Taxi Checklist, all the announcements are correct including the announcement for autobrake, but the autobrake never moves. Someone on Facebook stated that theirs does not move either. 

 

I just tried it in the Voice control version, and the RTO was set....

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I think for the Autobrake to stay in the RTO position, the IRS must be fully aligned.

 

So ensure the IRS is fully aligned.

 

Cheers,

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I think for the Autobrake to stay in the RTO position, the IRS must be fully aligned.

 

So ensure the IRS is fully aligned.

 

Cheers,

 

Fully aligned. The RTO is supposed to be set during the Before Taxi Checklist which is way after programming FMC, aligning IRS, engine start, etc. I also found out tonight that the autobrake is not shut off by the FO during the After Landing Procedure either in button mode.  Everything else works. It seems there is no communication in the button mode between FS 2Crew FO and the Autobrake switch. 

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Bob,

 

Are you using a custom panel state file, or one of the PMDG stock ones?

 

 

Sometimes custom panel state files can introduce weird behavior, which is why I recommend people stick to the PMDG stock ones.

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Bob,

 

Are you using a custom panel state file, or one of the PMDG stock ones?

 

 

Sometimes custom panel state files can introduce weird behavior, which is why I recommend people stick to the PMDG stock ones.

 

Everything is standard on  the PMDG except Immersion. I don't think Immersion does anything with the panels. The strange thing is that it works perfectly in voice mode. 

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The strange thing is that it works perfectly in voice mode. 

 

That is strange because voice or button makes no difference... the code that handles the flow is the same.

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That is strange because voice or button makes no difference... the code that handles the flow is the same.

 

Could a different livery possibly affect the panel. I have been using the same Delta 737-600 livery, which was installed with the PMDG livery manager?

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It's unlikely, but it's computers so never say never.

 

Try it with the stock PMDG livery.

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It's unlikely, but it's computers so never say never.

 

Try it with the stock PMDG livery.

 

I tried with the default PMDG 737-800 after rebooting PC and restarting FS 2 Crew.  Same thing. Oh well, just will set manually. No big deal, just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong. . 

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I re-read your posts.

 

I think I know the problem.

 

You're not running the Pre-Flight events (PF Events).  You're skipping it.

 

In Button Control, the FO will set the autobrake to RTO during his Pre Flight flow.

 

Look at page 14 in the Button Control manual.

 

Cheers,

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I re-read your posts.

 

I think I know the problem.

 

You're not running the Pre-Flight events (PF Events).  You're skipping it.

 

In Button Control, the FO will set the autobrake to RTO during his Pre Flight flow.

 

Look at page 14 in the Button Control manual.

 

Cheers,

 

This Button Tutorial has me totally confused.  When I start FS 2 Crew in button mode, the first screen that comes up is Pre Flight Checklist... Which is on Page 15 in the tutorial......  I never see Pre Flight Events. ON Page 20 of the tutorial is where the before taxi checklist mentions the following checks:  

 

BEFORE TAXI CHECKLIST
GENERATORS (F) ON
PROBE HEAT (F) ON
ANTI-ICE (F) _____
ISOLATION VALVE (F) AUTO
ENGINE START SWITCHES (F) CONT
RECALL (F) CHECKED
AUTOBRAKE (F) RTO
ENGINE START LEVERS © IDLE DETENT
FLIGHT CONTROLS © CHECKED
DISPATCH CLEARANCE ( B) CHECKED
 
All the items on this list above  are set correctly expect  Autobrake (F) RTO which is not moved at all.   If this item is not supposed to be addressed in this Before Taxi Checklist, then why is it there? If it is the Captains job to set RTO rather than the first officer's job, , then why doesn't it say  " Autobrake © RTO ? 

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Hi Bob,

 

The Autobrake to RTO is part of the FO's pre-flight flow.  

 

The FO will set the brake to RTO during that specific procedure.

 

Have you configured FO's Pre-Flight procedure itself to be skipped when the Pre-Flight events is run?

 

 

The Pre Flight events (PF events) is done on every leg (if desired).  It's not just used during Cold and Dark.  You'd still run it if the cockpit is Warm.

 

If you don't wish to run it, you would need to perform the FO's flow items manually, and that includes setting the autobrake to RTO.

 

 

In Voice Control, I added a backup that's not in Button Control for those who skip the Pre-Flight events.  I can add that backup for button control in a future update.

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Hi Bob,

 

The Autobrake to RTO is part of the FO's pre-flight flow.  

 

The FO will set the brake to RTO during that specific procedure.

 

Have you configured FO's Pre-Flight procedure itself to be skipped when the Pre-Flight events is run?

 

 

The Pre Flight events (PF events) is done on every leg (if desired).  It's not just used during Cold and Dark.  You'd still run it if the cockpit is Warm.

 

If you don't wish to run it, you would need to perform the FO's flow items manually, and that includes setting the autobrake to RTO.

 

 

In Voice Control, I added a backup that's not in Button Control for those who skip the Pre-Flight events.  I can add that backup for button control in a future update.

 

OK, now it all makes sense.. Thanks...

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Bob,

 

Check out page 40 of the "NGX REBOOT MAIN OPS MANUAL".  It will show you how to run the preflight.  Without that, the first officer doesn't do any of his setting up, such as walk around, oxygen test, and of course Autobrake to RTO among many other setups.

 

And, it also sequences FS2Crew regarding the FA and Fuel loading, etc.

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Mike, where do you start the checklist exactly, in other words what page on the tutorial?   The other question I have is in the Setup CFG for the Button version there are these three settings. 

 

1.  FO   Power up Proc   - Yes

2.  FO   Prelim Proc           Yes

3.   Preflight SUP  Proc      Yes.  

 

Are these settings the way your's are set?  

 

Thanks,

Hi Bob, yes to all 3, and I always "warm start (i.e. Short Turn around) with prflight events"

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I finally figured out where all my confusion started. When I started flying FS 2 crew, after doing the tutorial once, I forgot all about hitting PF button in the Secondary Panel in order to start the Pre-Flight Events. I couldn't figure out why it kept starting in "Pre Flight Checklist". I realized that late last night after re-reading the tutorial once again. Anyway, thanks everyone for your help.

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