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Ron Attwood

Attenzione! Giro d'Italia, seconda parte

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Gather round everyone. (Best Capt. Mainwaring voice)

 

Our trip continues, for those still with us, to Geneva. Stopping at Sestri(LIMJ), Aeritalia(LIMA), Aosta(LIMW) for a spot of great skiing. Next stop Sion and finally our destination Geneva. Where we will hand over our historic aircraft to Swiss pilots who will ferry them to the Schweizerisches Militärmuseum Full near Zurich.

As a special treat I've laid on a selection of light aircraft to choose from (RV7 for me) to fly to Courchevel where I've booked a table at the Chabichou restaurant.
 

Chabichou25_3566656b.jpg

 

 

You can stay over if you wish, but at your own expense!

 

Rates

 

Buona fortuna

 

Oh and as I got told off last week, starting at 1800hrs Zulu. Take off at 7am local.

 

Flight Plan

N.B. Although the plan shows straight lines it will be prudent to keep an eye out for alps and go round them where possible. :cool:

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Looks great. I'll polish my Spitfire for the Museum and hope that I'll be able to make this flight (next Saturday, I suppose)!!

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Good man. Yes next Saturday. Are you au fait with the TeamSpeak etc?

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Couple of things...First, I lied about the skiing in Aosta. It's too late in the season. Second, if you intend to go to dinner in Courchevel I can thoroughly recommend THIS scenery!

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I can vouch for the LLH Creations scenery too, I have it. Very nice and accurate representation of the airport (I was there in February), and they even modelled the hotel we stayed at!

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[Mostly from Wikipedia]

Named the St. Tropez of winter sports, Courcheval attracts a select clientele of VIPs, wealthy people and royal families, including Prince William and Kate Middleton, the Beckhams, Christina Aguilera, Geri Halliwell, Lionel Richie, the Saudi royal family, Roman Abramovich, Nick Wood, George Clooney, Giorgio Armani, the King of Morocco and many others.

Courchevel has 11 hotels with a 5-star ranking. In 2011 France introduced a very prestigious 6th star ranking for hotels, named "palaces". The palace ranking is only awarded to the most prestigious, exclusive and luxurious hotels in France. No more than eight hotels in France have been crowned with this rating. Two of those eight hotels are in Courchevel.

Courchevel is also known for its fine dining. It's the ski resort with the most Michelin starred restaurants. A total of seven restaurants share 11 Michelin stars, with four restaurants that have been awarded two Michelin stars. The number includes Le Chabichou which is famous for presenting an annual dinner for the Attwood party of pilots. Courcheval also hosts a variety of luxury shops including Louis Vuitton, Hermès, Valentino, Prestone, Prada, Cartier, Fendi, Dior and Chanel.

 

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Am I to understand that we'll continue flying our military aircraft to Geneva, then switching to something else?  What would that be, a high altitude capable craft, I gather?


Also, for those of you who have the A2A Spitfire:  I experienced an engine failure about 1-2 miles short of the destination runway yesterday.  Is it possible I just ran out of gas, although the bottom tank was still full, or was it something else?  Other than the crash, everything went well, except I think I might have pushed it too hard and it overheated.  :smile: :Shame On You:

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See? I don't take my boys to any ol' cafe. Stew, you ain't as dumb as you look! High altitude? Not so much if you stay in the valleys. What this exercise will do is to test one's ability to adapt quickly to another aircraft. Makes a change eh? :smile:

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Yeah, I like it.  Now, what about my Spitfire question?  I have no idea why I had engine failure.  But the flight itself was a lot of fun.

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A2A_JE-J.jpg

Happy to tag along in the A2A Spitfire Mk IIb. Steve Landau's paint depicts the Spitfire Mk IX JE-J of flying ace and commander Johnnie Johnson. With a degree in engineering, his pre-war application for a place in the RAF was denied for social reasons…he was the son of a police officer. Johnson was much decorated and later rose to the rank of air vice-marshal.

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Stew, it is hard to know what caused your engine failure. As you know, the Spitfire is like a highly-spirited horse who needs to be treated with respect. A common mistake is to run her hard, without paying close attention to the oil and (especially) radiator temperatures. (Once the engine and oil are warm, and once the airflow cools the radiator, the envelope can be managed. There are good flying tips to be found in the A2A forums. If you haven't already done so, you might take a look at this video.)

PS. I have made (and continue to make) plenty of mistakes with the Spit. IMHO, it is worth getting through the learning curve.

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Thanks, Mike.  My initial thought was that I ran out of gas, but that was not the case, so I think it might have been a case of overheating, causing a vapor lock maybe.

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Stew, you most probably selected gear down and flaps too far out from the runway, which will in many circumstances cause the Spit to overheat with the engine quitting as you described,


Good man. Yes next Saturday. Are you au fait with the TeamSpeak etc?

Has anything changed since the last flight I took (End of April)?

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Stew, you naughty boy! You added the Spitfire question after I posted a reply. I would have said what Tiger has said, flaps too early. Not sure that wheels would make that much difference though.

 

Nothing has changed Tiger except the I.P. address. The new one is in the right hand panel on TS.

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Stew, you naughty boy! You added the Spitfire question after I posted a reply. I would have said what Tiger has said, flaps too early. Not sure that wheels would make that much difference though.

 

Interesting.  How would extending flaps too early cause the problem?  Airspeed too slow?  How far out should the flaps be extended?  A mile?

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Interesting.  How would extending flaps too early cause the problem?  Airspeed too slow?  How far out should the flaps be extended?  A mile?

 

It's the fact, that with gear down and flaps extended you run the engine on a higher power setting with a slower speed, thus getting not enough cooling for the engine. If you then drop flaps and gear way out on final, you aggravate the situation. The same would happend of course without gear and flaps down if you fly slow with a high power setting.

Stew, you naughty boy! You added the Spitfire question after I posted a reply. I would have said what Tiger has said, flaps too early. Not sure that wheels would make that much difference though.

 

Nothing has changed Tiger except the I.P. address. The new one is in the right hand panel on TS.

 

Thanks Ron, it's me, Gunter, I flew with you a couple of flights already....

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It's the fact, that with gear down and flaps extended you run the engine on a higher power setting with a slower speed, thus getting not enough cooling for the engine. If you then drop flaps and gear way out on final, you aggravate the situation. The same would happend of course without gear and flaps down if you fly slow with a high power setting.

 

Thanks Ron, it's me, Gunter, I flew with you a couple of flights already....

Oh, yes, hi, Gunter!  We haven't seen you in awhile.  Yes, your explanation makes sense. I'm too accustomed to flying sim aircraft where cooling isn't a big concern.  It strikes me that cooling problems were perhaps not as big an issue for post-war GA aircraft.  Am I wrong?  None of A2A's GA aircraft seem to have such concerns, for example.  Or is it just the Spit (and maybe the Me109?) where this was an issue?

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Hi Stew, yes, I was away a couple of weeks.

 

And yes, cooling is a major concern for the Spit with AccuSim (and in reality, I learned). The other a/c are not so sensitive or have better means to control heat, like cowl flaps.

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Thanks, Gunter, for your advice.  I'm planning to practice flying the Spit again today and will pay closer attention to the cooling temps.  Still not sure I'll have enough practice to fly it this Saturday, though.

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Short final, make sure the radiator flap is open. If it gives you a clue as to to cooling efficiency of early Spitfires, later models had two radiators!

 

Gunter! I should have known, it says so in your signature. :Doh:

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Named the St. Tropez of winter sports, Courcheval attracts a select clientele of VIPs, wealthy people and royal families, including Prince William and Kate Middleton, the Beckhams, Christina Aguilera, Geri Halliwell, Lionel Richie, the Saudi royal family, Roman Abramovich, Nick Wood, George Clooney, Giorgio Armani, the King of Morocco and many others.

 

 

LOL !!  :LMAO:   Very good, Mike!  Didn't see my mates Will, Dave, Roman (A, not S) or George this time though  :P

Am I to understand that we'll continue flying our military aircraft to Geneva, then switching to something else?  What would that be, a high altitude capable craft, I gather?

 

Stew, doesn't have to be a high altitude aircraft, a C172 handles the conditions perfectly well and that's what I'll be flying.  If you want to do it in style though, a PC-12 is the aircraft of choice for Courchevel:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfwL9TWm4oo

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Thanks, Nick.  The follow-up video showed a TBM850 making the same landing.  Should I bring mine?....Nah.  The A2A C182 will do nicely, I think.

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Nick, the only Mosquito I have, or will ever have unless A2A do one, is CBFS Mosquito B1V, so a line from somewhere would be nice. Or I'll be treated to the sight of a 300mph trike! :blink:

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Nick, the only Mosquito I have, or will ever have unless A2A do one, is CBFS Mosquito B1V, so a line from somewhere would be nice. Or I'll be treated to the sight of a 300mph trike! :blink:

 

Yes, I was going to suggest using Dave Garwood's rather nice freeware Mossie from CBFS as a proxy.  It's the bomber B Mk IV version (glass nose) rather than the fighter FB Mk VI I'll be flying (with guns which work, so watch out!), but at least it gives you something Mossie-shaped.  The CFG title line needed for multiplayer is now on the MP spreadsheet. Here's the link for the Mosquito on CBFS:

 

http://www.cbfsim.co.uk/cbfs_lib/thumbnails.php?album=48

 

It's a very good model anyway, well worth taking up for a flight if you haven't tried it before.  I flew it for that race through the Southwest Pacific a little while ago.

 

Mmmmmm, an A2A Accusim Mosquito.... well, we can dream!  :Drooling:

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