I'm not so sure it would upset both sides of the debate - I definately think that an unbiased review of both aircraft would be worthwhile.Of course, there will always be people who announce that because it doesn't match their opinion it is blatantly biased, but provided it really *is* unbiased, I'd back the reviewer to the hilt whether s/he agrees with my opinion or not.Ian P.

Why isn't this discussion taking place over at the fltsim.com forums? Why bring AVSIM's reputation down by turning it into a place where we can post these types of allegations, without giving the reviewer and/or management in question a fair shake of responding? (Sure they can post here, but they'd have to see it first!) I just don't think this type of posting represents the AVSIM forum membership in the best light, especially the piling on that seems to be happening. I recall in the past *I* have been critical of AVSIM itself, it's relationships with various developers, and the operation of the forums with regard to negative content about those vendors. But when I had those concerns, I brought them here - to the source, in the "Letters to the Editor" section - to make sure they could be responded to. While I didn't get a response directly from management, my thoughts did get read by presumably a great many people. Over the course of time, posts like the Tom's above helped to let me see that there wasn't any underhanded things taking place here. If there is a concern with an organization (or a person in an organization), I think it should be taken to them first - posting it here is just about as good as talking behind their backs, and unless they are regular readers or get tipped off to it, will probably go unheard. Do you stand a greater chance of having the post/thread locked or deleted? Yes - but at least you can then say you tried to bring it up to them when you turn to alternative channels to express your opinions. Just a few thoughts,-Greg

>Why isn't this discussion taking place over at the fltsim.com>forums? *Snicker* You think it could?

Go ahead, start bashing a review or a reviewer here and see how long it would stay. About the same length of time as at Flightsim.com. Reviews and reviewers are not posted so as to bash. Some need to give it a rest.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Jim,Despite what you may believe, critical assesments of our reviews are allowed to remain posted. Just do a read of the forum over time and see how many posts are here that "bash" our reviews. If that is not sufficient, do a read of the reviews themselves and read the comment section. I am sure you will find critical statements of our reviews there that still remain. There are quite a few folk who have "bashed" our reviews in both the forums and the comments section of our reviews, without REMOVAL. Or, did I miss the point of you post?

Hi Tom,Maybe the idea of bashing the reviewer/make false accusations should have come out more.Hope this helps,JimActiveSky Sales and Supporthttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_dev_team.jpg http://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_proud_supporter.jpg

Tom,I think people may ask questions when they read a review that gives nothing but the positives and makes no mention of the negatives even though certain bugs might greatly distract from the overall experience of the airplane. For example, the Level D Sim review on this website gave nothing but outstanding marks, which made no mention of the very few but very critical bugs with the initial release.Here was the "entire" list of negatives at the end of the review for the LDS"No worries here!"I found that hard to believe.

>Why isn't this discussion taking place over at the fltsim.com>forums? Because no discussion of any depth or controversy is permitted there.>Do you stand a greater chance>of having the post/thread locked or deleted? Yes - but at>least you can then say you tried to bring it up to them when>you turn to alternative channels to express your opinions. They don

The intention of my original post was to stir debate as to whether or not the CS (Flight1) 707 was as good as the reviewer stated it was over at Flightsim.com. To begin with, the plane looks absolutely terrific. I was kind of hoping to get many responses saying something to the effect that it is a well modeled aircraft and that many of the purchasers simply did not understand what makes a classic stay up in the air because they are so used to the glass cockpit, computer aviation. However, that is not what happened. However, perhaps there is no intention on the part of Flightsim.com to misrepresent a review as an advertisement. Perhaps, the reviewer was simply blown away, as I am, by the way it looks and did not spend enough time really trying out all of the aircraft systems to detect the kind of weaknesses that many people who purchased it did. In other words, it's a review instead of a thorough review.The review given by Andrew Herd begins with an excellent review of the aircraft history. So, he really sets the ground work. He then goes into how to set up the program within FS2004. However, I think most of the people have difficulty with what he says next,

"but very critical bugs"?

Folks, I acknowledge that if this was brought up over at fltsim, that the thread/comments may not last long (at least not stay active)...From my previous post....Do you stand a greater chance of having the post/thread locked or deleted? Yes - but at least you can then say you tried to bring it up to them when you turn to alternative channels to express your opinions. But as I mention - at least you've giving them a shot to either reply, or demonstrate what it is you may be talking about! Being a reader of both forums, I have not seen any postings here or there relating to bias in the fltsim reviews - perhaps I missed them, but I haven't seen any. Again - if and when the post over there were to get locked or deleted, there's always other venues like here. I just think that concerns about how a board/organization is run should be brought to that organization first. If the criticism is rejected/eliminated, then by all means you can levy it elsewhere, AND you'll have the additional "ammo" of them locking or deleting your thoughts. It's not a matter of you giving them the respect - it IS a matter of everyone else respecting the AVSIM forums. It's much easier to justify the AVSIM posts bashing another flight sim resource if the thoughts were locked or deleted on the site it concerns first. There are AVSIM-a really excited user, and there are FLIGHTSIM-a really excited user. But for the majority of us who enjoy both sites, threads like these seem to bring board reputations down. Talking about it here doesn't do much to address the issue, except perhaps merely venting it off ones chest.

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FMC causes crashes and memory leaks, no sid/stars, turning heading causes airplane to go opposite direction

Yeah, it's like the McJackson Burger joke.RH