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I own all of them. I would have to say that my favorite is the CJ1 with the Citation II as second.Dave

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Guest midibyte

I hate to direct someone on a purchase, because in the end they may hate it and want to blame me for it. The Citation X is great but a bit heavy on the frames. For me, the Citation II VC has a good feel to it, easier on the frames, and gives you plenty to deal with if you like that sort of thing. All in all, every Eaglesoft aircraft has a nice VC. Best to look over their screenshots before making your purchase.Scott

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>They have a CJ 2?No. I suspect Chase meant CII, which is a different critter altogether... ;)Since there's really not much difference between a CJ1+ and a CJ2+, it seems hardly worth the effort for only a few inches longer fuselage and slighty more legroom... ;)

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I really find myself squinting to read the gauges and text sometimes, But in general, the X is my favorite, although it lacks a few visual additions I enjoy, weather effects on the windshield. Anyway, the CII is my 2nd favorite but those are the only 2 jets I own from them. I heard they are going to work on an update to the X sometime so that will be great

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Guest Len

Citation X. Nothing else comes close. They pulled out all stops on that one.

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Guest lalo lolo1

Unfortunately, I have to say all ESD private jets are really cheap (not talking about money of course) compared to most payware products. I can't say any EDS private jet is much better than what the default Lear with RXP gauges is. I wish they had developed those jets at 1/2 the quality their Cirrus is, which BTW is one of the best addons available.If you want good products, try:Aeroworx King Air distributed by Flight1Pilatus PC12 from F1Cirrus from EaglesoftTBM700 free at AvsimA lot of other good F1 GA ACs.Unfortunately there are no great private jets (other than the Ariane BBJ) to put money on, that's why I ended up always using turboprops for my private flights.Leo

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I disagree about the cheapness of the airplanes, they aren't a full simulation but they are great fun, and well worth the price. Don't expect PMDG type quality though.Kind of funny you put Ariane in there as "great", next time put that in the first sentence and I will know to skip the entire post. Thanks!

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Guest jennifer

There's something very immersive about theEaglesoft Citation II which is the only Eaglesoft one I have. It may not be up to PMDG technically but it equals it in that elusive 'feel there' quality in my opinion. I fly it a lot and would recommend it unreservedly.

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Jennifer,If you enjoy the II you might enjoy the X. It is a different feel being a totally glass display cockpit, but it is really awesome! If they sharpened the panels and added a few more features I'd buy the II and the X all over again

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>Unfortunately, I have to say all ESD private jets are really>cheap (not talking about money of course) compared to most>payware products. I can't say any EDS private jet is much>better than what the default Lear with RXP gauges is. I wish>they had developed those jets at 1/2 the quality their Cirrus>is, which BTW is one of the best addons available.>>If you want good products, try:>>Aeroworx King Air distributed by Flight1>Pilatus PC12 from F1>Cirrus from Eaglesoft>TBM700 free at Avsim>A lot of other good F1 GA ACs.>>Unfortunately there are no great private jets (other than the>Ariane BBJ) to put money on, that's why I ended up always>using turboprops for my private flights.>>LeoSorry but I have to completely disagree. My Citation X(my fav ESDG aircraft so far) AND my Hawker 400XP blows default aircraft(even with RXP gauges added to them) out of the sky. The panels are much better, especially when it comes to the VC's, not to mention ESDG virtual cabins which are top notch. Even if you add RXP gauges to default aircraft, you still have to look at a number of those terribly old and ugly default gauges and panel bitmaps, which the RXP gauges look totally out of place on/with. It's a no-brainer. Default models!? Bah. The expection in comparing some of the default models might be a couple of newer ones included for Century of Flight, such as the Lockheed Vega and DH Comet which are really good, and the gauges for those two aircrafts are pretty nice too. I try to give credit where credit is due. ;) The ESDG Cit X model is certainly outstanding, as are all other ESDG models. And how about flight dynamics? You want to compare default flight dynamics to flight dynamics done by Rob Young!?!!?? (which ESD aircraft have) OMG! Sorry, but I don't even have any idea what planet your on when it comes to that comparison. There's no doubt in my mind, and I believe many others, that the ESDG aircrafts are much better than defaults all the way around, regardless of whether you add any RXP gauges to defaults or not. Your entitled to you opinion though and your $100 Ariane payware with more $$ for liveries if that's what you like.Regards,Jim Richards

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"The CX is my personal favorite:-)"I'd say you are a tad bit biased Ron! LOLI'll chime in, Citation X all the way! Visually it's outstanding and has options to run on any system. It's only cheap if you have extremely high, unrealistic expectations from a sim model.Regards, MichaelKDFWhttp://www.calvirair.com/mcpics/mcdcvabanner.jpgCalVirAir International

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Guest lalo lolo1

Lol,Guys, I have a many payware aircrafts, and the ESDG ones are the worst. Just a few words explaining why I think they are bad.1. Buy and install RXP JL4, check how your default Lear looks and let me know how many default gauges do you find. Answer, almost none. The moving map is ages better than the ESDG ones.2. Get any PSS Airbus, and if you don't like the model just merge them with any of the great freeware we have available. They cost about a half of what the ESDG ACs, and the panel, is a complete panel, with a fully functional FMC.3. Oh, yeah, the models of ESDG are awesome. But they are totally FR killers. try the Socata TMB700 from Avsim. It's free, it has almost 0 impact on FPS and the model is as good as any ESDG one (or even better).4. Get the ESDG Cirrus and you'll see the jets are not a 1/4 quality compared to it.5. Get the Aeroworx King Air. It also needs the same stuff the ESDG ACs need (A decent EFIS + a good navigation device such as the GNS 430 or 530, both well provided by RXP), but the quality of the model, external, internal, 2d panel is totally superior to any ESDG jet.6. Get the Beneaviones CII + Leon Seale's CII panel (both free at Avsim). Let me know if a virtual cockpit and/or cabin is worth the price of the CII, because the 2d panel for sure doesn't.So, let's go to the question, how I'd like the ESDG jets to be?a. Fully functional FMC totally integrated with the moving map.b. Easier on FR.c. Nicer 2d panel. A photorealistic wouldn't be bad, but also a better looking panel and gauges would be nice. Just compare the gauges to PMDG, LDS or PSS. They are poor!Except for b. I think the other two points make them cheap payware stuff.I wouldn't mind if the price was a double of what it is, as long as the product was perfect.Just my two cents, but I encourage anyone aiming for these ESDG jets to go for something else, being either the ESDG Cirrus, or any of the great F1 GA ACs.Leo

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There are always some people who don't like a particular product and some who seem to enjoy it tremendously. In my opinion, Eaglesoft has done a great job with all of their products. They might not have the latest frills and require an hour before you can fly them, but that doesn't make them less fun.There are four leagues for add-on aircraft - each one caters to different groups.1. Ultra-realistic: PMDG, Level-D, FeelThere, Eaglesoft Cirrus SR202. Realistic: Eaglesoft Jets, PSS Airbus series/Dash 8, PMDG B1900x3. Simple: Abacus, Aerosoft4. FreewareSome people like to do long-haul and sit 10 hours staring on the screen floowing the purple line. Some people love to program FMCs. Some people swear by flying GA. You cannot compare the individual experiences of flight simmers and, quite frankly, it is boring to compare every add-on to PMDG and Level-D.Thank God, we're all different.Cheers.

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Hmm, using our own user feedback, you are out numbered by about 9 to 1.You are welcome to your opinion of course, just realize that you do not speak from a majority position.:-)This thread was created by a user asking the question on which of our jets is better, NOT for your own personal review. Here you have mentioned any number of products not related to the original question.Please try to stay on topic.:-)

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>6. Get the Beneaviones CII + Leon Seale's CII panel (both free>at Avsim). Let me know if a virtual cockpit and/or cabin is>worth the price of the CII, because the 2d panel for sure>doesn't.Apples and oranges... One man's Rembrandt is another man's Piccaso...The ESDG CII is intended as a 100% faithful reproduction of an actual aircraft's panel, not one individual's impressionist rendition of a completely imaginary panel... ;)

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