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Looks good.  Only think I would be checking is what the motherboard and cpu cooler are.

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Thanks I will definitely check on that. Great thing about Costco is they have 90 day free returns on all items so you get plenty of time to make sure you got what you want.

 

Cheers, Pete

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And the PSU:

 

Additional Information: 

  • Power Supply: 800W Liquid Cooled

That's new to me!

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You are in Chicago metro. You have a Micro Center store in that area. A year ago I built a killer system with Micro Center for about $100 more than you are looking at per Costco.  Top quality MB and memory, up to date video card at the time, SSDs, name brand liquid cooling, top notch case with lots of ventilation and dust filtering, etc.  My system specs are in my signature.  I was going to build it myself until they offered to build it for me for $125 and guarantee it for a year.  At least check it out for comparison!

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And the PSU:

 

Additional Information: 

  • Power Supply: 800W Liquid Cooled

That's new to me!

 

 

 

Liquid cooled PSU's date back to around 2000, Koolance I recall it was.

 

The only liquid cooled PSU I know of now is the Deepcool PSU, shown at CES this year. It was a prototype, don't think it's available yet. In addition, it was a standalone unit, so needed to be plugged into an existing custom loop.

 

Liquid cooled PSU's are of course a nonsense, a useless concept. The only thing achieved is to provide something a bit over the top and different. 

 

As I'm sure you're well aware, PSU's these days are very efficient and barely get warm, so to then whack some kind of water block in there, adjacent to mains voltages, to cool something with water than doesn't at all need water is stupidity.

 

If I were the OP and the PSU is really water cooled, I would reject it. Ask the supplier to fit a more sensible PSU perhaps. It's a calculated risk to water cool a CPU or GPU, the last thing we want is a water cooled PSU.

 

The most likely scenario here though, and one I'd bet money on, is that it's a bonkers typographical mistake, and it's not water cooled at all.  :smile:

 
 
EDIT:
 
Found this forum post...
 
Low quality components, and no, not a liquid cooled PSU at all.
 
So, I got the system.  Overall, it works good for what is it, but a bit expensive.  Packing was superb and everything worked out of the box.  Below is what is included, some a bit disappointing. 
 
 
Costco.com CVi2200CST
CPU: Intel i7-6700 CPU @ 4.00GHz
CPU Cooling: Asetek 510LC or 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Bazooka B150M
RAM: GEIL (2) 8 GB GN48BG2400C16S [Poor Quality - NOT SUPPORTED BY MB]
GPU: EVGA GeForce 8 GB GTX 1070
Hard Drives: 256GB SanDisk Z4000s SSD + 2TB Toshiba DT01ACA200 [Poor Quality]
Optical: DVD-RW?
PSU: High Power HPL-800BR-F14S 800W [Poor Quality]
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox 5 Mid-Tower Gaming Case
OS: Windows 10 PRO
Keyboard: CyberpowerPC Multimedia Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: CyberpowerPC Standard 4000 DPI with Weight System Optical Gaming Mouse

 

 

 

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/costo-system-spec-quetions_topic48712.html

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Thanks to all for your input! I guess I will take a pass until I am ready to build.

 

Cheers, Pete

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One more thing, and thanks again for the input to all of you! All computers (and electronics) you buy at Costco have a standard extended warranty for two years (not bad at all). But also, you get an extra two years when using Costco's Visa card which I use for pretty much everything. I called them to con firm, so this computer would be covered by a 4 year warranty. Considering that, I would be less worried about the computer falling apart and then if performance is excellent, may still be worth a shot?  I do plan on calling Cyberpower to ask some of the questions you all have raised, and being a CPA this time of year building my own would be out of the question for the forseeable future since I have no time (plus two kids playing travel hockey that drains all of the rest of my time!). Thanks again!

 

Cheers, Pete

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All computers (and electronics) you buy at Costco have a standard extended warranty for two years (not bad at all). But also, you get an extra two years when using Costco's Visa card which I use for pretty much everything. I called them to con firm, so this computer would be covered by a 4 year warranty.

 

Consider that at the brand name component level most of the components have warranties of considerable length that equal or exceed that above.  For instance the Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 7 motherboard in my system has a 3 year warranty with a year added to that because of the Visa card I used in the purchase.  The Corsair H100i CPU liquid cooler in my system has a 5 year warranty. My Corsair Power Supply has a 10 year warranty.  The MSI GTX 970 video card has 3 years parts/2 years labor, plus one year on parts and plus 2 years (double) that warranty, again because of the Visa card I used. My SSD's have 5 year warranties. And so on and so on.  And I also got a build guarantee from MicroCenter.  They have a department dedicated to self builders and can recommend components based on your preferences, including OEM warranty.

 

So why buy what someone else decides on when you can control what you have in your system?  And where you live you have a build option that removes any risk in you trying to build it yourself.

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All good points Frank, and thanks again for your input! I actually work in Oak Brook so the MicroCenter is only a few minutes down the road and worth a stop in to see what they can do. For years i have been telling myself I would build a computer, but with my lack of patience I feel confident that i would fry something along the way. Better to let someone else like MicroCenter do the work!

 

Cheers, Pete

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Pete,

You still get to be the most active part - that of selecting your components.  Think about what you most restrictive issue is. For me for example it was the number and type of USB ports available at the back of the motherboard. With my previous system and Windows 7 I had trouble with reliable USB signal to my devices, even with powered external USB hubs. I wanted a system where I could plug them direct to USB on the motherboard.  Turns out the new system and overcoming Windows Advanced Power Management issues (Windows 7 though 10) eliminated those issues anyway, but I point it out just as an example of how to think things through, whether with an off the shelf system or with a self-configured one.

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So I stopped into MicroCenter during lunch, which of course opened up a whole bunch of new questions, but this one most specifically: I have three Dell XPS computers (one 8500 and two 8700) i have purchased since 2012. All still run fine, and all have the I7 4700 CPU. I assume also they all have 460Watt PSU. What I am wondering now is if it may make sense to have those computers upgraded (I suppose I would need to upgrade the PSU if I want a high end graphics card). My thoughts are that perhaps it is possible that for $1,500 I can have three high end FSX / gaming machines (for my spoiled kids). Do you think this makes sense, and do you think this is a better route than buying brand new systems? I did ask the folks at MicroCenter and they said the XPS machines are pretty upgradable, so a bell went off in my head.

 

Cheers, Pete

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Pete,

Not sure. Suggest building a spreadsheet and play what-if a few times. Not sure what all you would want to upgrade.  Video card? Then the PSU's are a must.  I'd guess upgrade to a GTX 1070 for each and power supply units would consume that $1,500 budget.  Then you still have aging hard disks and motherboards and processors with lots of hours. 

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Been running an Enermax Galaxy 1000 watt PSU for over 20 years. Came with enough cables for ten machines. In short you often get what you pay for, hopefully, I guess!

Best

BaldyB

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I recommend spending some time shopping around for components. MicroCenter is good but I would also check Amazon and Newegg. When I built my computer 3 years ago, I purchased parts from each outlet and saved a lot of money that way. This year I am upgrading my GPU and CPU cooler and just bought a GTX 1070 on Amazon for less than $400. Prices fluctuate more dramatically than the stock market, so I would be patient.

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I have recently returned to the hobby after a 2-year hiatus, and with a fresh re-install of FSX in a brand new rig right off the shelf from Micro Center, itemized below. All is working well as I begin the process of installing the few essentials I need for my airline-heavy, VATSIM flying. Having stepped away, my add-on perspective is much different now. I no longer feel compelled to get everything people recommend. A smooth flight model is the desired goal. Nothing quite like clicking off the autopilot on short final and hand flying the aircraft to the runway with a smooth, stutter-free performance.

 

Best, and Happy Holidays,

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I recommend spending some time shopping around for components. MicroCenter is good but I would also check Amazon and Newegg.

 

Agree. However the difference is if you are building it yourself or having them build it for you.  I have build several systems in the past, but none that I built myself had liquid cooling, etc. I got very competitive prices from Microcenter, including price matches on a couple of components.  The $129 they charged me to build the system was great vs the insecurity and risk of doing it myself.  If building it myself your advice would be spot on.

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