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Setting up a real route in the Queen I find a couple sections of the route the fmc will not take in either column. 

 

Here is the actual flight details: 

 

MKK4 CLUTS R465 CIVIT R585 FLEXX 3200N/13500W 3500N/13000W ALCOA ZONSO OSVEE1

 

The FMC will not take 3200N or 13500N or 13500W or 3500W and the last one OSVEE1.

 

Should I just leave those out or?

 


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Hi,

 

Did you try to enter N32W135 or N3200.0W13500.0 (both formats are accepted) for the waypoint 3200N/13500W and N35W130 (or N3500.0W13000.0) for the waypoint 3500N/13000W? (cf. FCOM 11.31.16)

As for the OSVEE1, it is not a waypoint but the STAR to be selected in the arrival/approach page.

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Thanks I haven't a clue as to what your suggesting. How am I supposed to know that the route as stated is not correct or that I have to use  different wording? How do I know that OSVEE1 is a star and where to put it?

 

This might be complex for me so is there a program that will figure or do all this for me?

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Thanks I haven't a clue as to what your suggesting. How am I supposed to know that the route as stated is not correct or that I have to use  different wording? How do I know that OSVEE1 is a star and where to put it?

 

This might be complex for me so is there a program that will figure or do all this for me?

To answer the first question, check the FCOM. Romain did reference the section to check to figure this out. As for the STAR, generally, your VORs contain three letters and your intersections contain five. OSVEE has five letters, so if you see a number after that, it would be a STAR. It's an arrival procedure that would have you crossing OSVEE at some point.

 

It is a complex system if you're just starting out, but once you get the hang of working an FMC, you'd be hard pressed to want to fly anything without one.

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Waypoints in the flight plan with numbers following by the letters N, W, S or E are geographic coordinates in latitude/longitude. the wording is explained in the FCOM (the reference I gave you on my previous post.

As for the OSVEE1, usually groups of letters followed by a number and sometimes another letter are usually SID/STAR designations. SIDs and STARs are not entered on the leg or route pages but on the DEP/ARR pages.

 

They are always the first and last "words" or the route but are not always specified on the route, it depends on where you fly (e.g.: in France, they are never mentioned on the route of the flight plan).

The best to check whether a "word" is SID/STAR is to checks the charts or the origin and destination airports.

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Ok, thanks, lets see if I got some of this:

 

Sid and Stars are the first and last sections of the route. Sid at the beginning and Star at the end. Also they are put in the Departure/Arrival page (Sid for Dep. and Star for Arrival.

 

The numbers section still confuse me,

 

Quote "Did you try to enter N32W135 or N3200.0W13500.0 (both formats are accepted) for the waypoint 3200N/13500W and N35W130 (or N3500.0W13000.0) for the waypoint 3500N/13000W? (cf. FCOM 11.31.16)"

 

Why don't they just write it the correct way in the first place?

 

Thanks for the help,,,as you might have guessed this all is a bit new to me but a must if I am to fly the Queen properly. 

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Hang in there Paul. It takes a lot of time and effort to learn the intricacies of the fmc. Can I recommend you do exactly as Romain and Kevin have suggested... Read the Intro Doc, Tutorial and FCOM. If and when you find your answer and it still doesn't make sense, check YouTube for a tutorial and or search google, because undoubtedly someone has had the problem before you. We all learnt somehow, it's a slow and painful process.

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Paul, 

 

Actually this way to write lat/long waypoint - 3200N/13500W 3500N/13000W - is not something you would see in the route section of a flight plan and I don't know why flyaware shows the flight plans that way.

In a real flight plan, you would see 32N135W 35N130W and yes it is even more confusing because Boeing resquest the opposite format for the FMC...  :fool:  :Tounge:

 

But with a bit of practice, you will get eventually comfortable with it. In the section of the FCOM I pointed to you, if you look a couple of pages before (from 11.31.12 and onward), you have a nice explanations of the formats of what they call unnamed waypoints (lat/long).

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Lol, yes it is a long road up this hill. 

 

I did the tutorial successfully several times now and that route's entries were simple compared to the one I am trying to use now. 

 

I will check out those pages in the manual but I seem to be one of those people that learn by seeing quicker and better than reading so I will try for some videos as well. If anyone has a link to a good video (fmc for dummies maybe?) about this please let me know.

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You will never stop learning new things about these computerized airplanes even as a real pilot! Thats the joy of it all.

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Lol, yes it is a long road up this hill. 

 

I did the tutorial successfully several times now and that route's entries were simple compared to the one I am trying to use now. 

 

I will check out those pages in the manual but I seem to be one of those people that learn by seeing quicker and better than reading so I will try for some videos as well. If anyone has a link to a good video (fmc for dummies maybe?) about this please let me know.

 

Aah good. In that case, I'll just get back in my shell then haha you've come to the right place then. Cheers

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Numbers are still messing me up. No matter how I write the numbers it will not take them. Following this example from previous reply:

"In a real flight plan, you would see 32N135W 35N130W"

 

Here is my fmc with number but will not accept.

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Thanks, that worked..how do you clear a an entry if a mistake is made? I tried the clear button but did not clear what I selected.

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Paul as ive said many time youtube PMDG FMC guides and watch them.

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how do you clear a an entry if a mistake is made

Press the DEL key, the word DELETE will appear on the scratch pad. Line select up to what ever you want to delete. If the mistake has not been executed and on Line 6 you see <ERASE, click to left of that and it will get rid of everything that has not been executed.

 

You need to follow Dave Murden's advice in the post right above mine. There are tons of PMDG FMC guides on the Internet.

 

If you can't get the data entered into the FMC correctly, you ain't going no place fast.

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Thanks again. It is strange though that there is something about this route that makes the line and plane go the complete opposite direction. I have used two versions, one from FlightAware and one from SimBrief and they both head east instead of west. 

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Paul,

 

Press and hold the CLEAR button if it is still in the Scratch Pad. Try using the DEL key function or overwrite it with the correct waypoint if it is already in one of the Line Select positions. Then you will need to close any Route discontinuity, finish loading the rest of the Route, then activate and EXEC it. Simple really when you know how, isn't it?!

 

Seriously though, as Brian Nellis and others have said here, there really is no substitute for sitting down and spending as much time as you can reading about how to operate the FMC from the manual and familiarising yourself with it at the same time.

 

Happy flying,

 

Bertie Goddard

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Here is the actual flight details

What airport did you use? Hickham Field is not in FSX.

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Paul I would recommend taking a step back from the auto flight plan creators and use Skyvector for a while. It's a great way to actually visualize what's going on with your route. As you drag the magenta route over way points on airways the route numbers will automatically appear as well as being in front of your eyes. Skyvector even adds in stars and sids now as first and last parts of the plan. Clicking nav log will create a flight plan for you free of obscure satellite coordinates .

It's also more fun planning your own route taking in some sightseeing on the way. I had great fun plotting a route manually from Brisbane to Alaska via Japan this way. When it becomes second nature after a while and you are in rush to get in the air those auto flight plans will start to actually mean something to you. You can even go back to skyvector and draw the suggested route afterwards.

You should never actually NEED to enter GPS fixes like that unless you want to switch from one jet lane to another without a defined junction way point. The 777 even calculates intersections for you, don't know how the Queen handles it. Yet!

Absolutely recommend you print out the sids and stars for your departure and arrival airport before planning the route. You can then see the entry points from route to star and exit points from sid to route that way. Usually the name of the star is related to the common way point in the star/sid and different ways in and out for your route have the. 1. 2. 3 suffixes etc.

When it starts to make sense all this mumbo jumbo is actually fun!

To conclude.. Use skyvector and print out your sids stars and approach plates before flight and enjoy following then after take off too!

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Thanks, I cannot seem to find any sid and stars at Skyvector. I click on route and several show up in the box but not sure which one to use. I click on Navlog and just the departure and arrival airport show up with TOC and TOD in between. 

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You are getting there..so close! Easy way to do it if the airport has a navaid like a VOR on airport is to left click the magenta line and drag it over the airport AFTER you have selected your departure and destinations. It will show the VOR. Select the VOR and usually (like magic) it will then select the STAR/SID for you. If this works you will see the route you made 'bend' magically to follow the arrival/departure. When I started with this I thought what is it doing? (the star/sid will then be listed on the navlog) Then later I realized. Skyvector is amazing in what it does, just experiment. If you were local I'd show you! If you fly in the USA when you hover your mouse over the airport in flight plan it will show you all the charts available. I know you are using the Queen so you are using BIG airports with lots of charts by necessity. If you have to, load up a small plane and pick 2 small airports to fly from and to with maybe 1 or 2 arrivals/sids. Print them out and compare the waypoints they show to what you see in SV. Top left of SV is a field you can type in any airport/vor/waypoint and it will jump to it on the map with a cross. That can be a great help to finding your way around.

Old maxim walk before run. If you get really stuck pm me and sort out a skype session. Or maybe theres a youtube video on skyvector. I havent looked. 

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Use this site - http://www.fltplan.com/AwMainToApproachPlates.exe?CRN10=1&CARRYUNAME=PILOT&MODE=SEARCH&end=end. Type the ICAO airport code in the Airport ID, click on Submit and it will give the STARS, Runways, and SIDS for the airport you requested.

Well thats a great site but I think OP has the problem of selecting WHICH stars/sids to choose. Can be confusing when you start out.

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