Anyone Use, Have Thoughts on Icarus KSAN?

[Desaix 235]

1 hour ago, pugilist2 said:

 modelling the interior is a waste of resources.

It really depends on the airport, sometimes rendering the rear of the terminal is wasting way more resources than a glass terminal in front of jetways where user usually set their departing point. Sometimes we get parking slots with counters, advertising panels, thousand of ground signs, ... which are only good to take some promo vids and then the terminal rendered with some repetitive textures that kill immersion.

[Airfighter 150]

I would like to address the subject why X-Aviation only. To do so, I have to give you our view of things, but remain within the boundaries allowed by the contracts/agreements etc. we have signed.

When you are a small team, both in numbers and the financial department, you cannot handle alone the extra work/costs are required to sell you stuff yourself. So, working with a seller is the way to go.

Each seller's offerings are a bit different, so you have to make decisions what fits and serves you the best. And some other reason come to play, that I cannot refer to.

Why to sell it exclusively. Let's hypothesize that a product "A" has a retail price of $X. When sold, the developer of the product A receives $X-Y. Y is the seller's commission. If the product is also resold through another seller, which will receive a commission Z, then the developer will get $X-Y-Z. Now, please answer this question. You as a buyer, when you take out of your wallet $X to pay for that product, how much, of X, do think should developer should get? What % of X?

A few will say, but why X-Aviation? First of all, a X-Plane dedicated store will support the developer better...for obvious reasons. Second, beyond sceneries, our team is developing aircrafts too. So, GIZMO support is included, for our DC-9 project. Also, you might not know, we, Icarus, are developing the P180 Avanti II for X-Plane 11...for free! With full support, both from X-Aviation and Gizmo64! If you haven't. check about this here: 

 

Does this tell you something? Have you seen many stores/developers doing this? A few might have their own reasons, not my job to judge.But, X-Aviation is a very good store to buy some of the best addons in X-Plane. Personally, I don't have any problems with any retail in X-Plane world. We should not create "sides". Those who are doing so, are serving badly X-Plane community. I will leave you with a "fun fact". I work with X-Aviation, but personally I have spent more than 2x in x-plane.org store. Why not?

[wcschulz3 18]

23 hours ago, Airfighter said:

I would like to address the subject why X-Aviation only. To do so, I have to give you our view of things, but remain within the boundaries allowed by the contracts/agreements etc. we have signed.

When you are a small team, both in numbers and the financial department, you cannot handle alone the extra work/costs are required to sell you stuff yourself. So, working with a seller is the way to go.

Each seller's offerings are a bit different, so you have to make decisions what fits and serves you the best. And some other reason come to play, that I cannot refer to.

Why to sell it exclusively. Let's hypothesize that a product "A" has a retail price of $X. When sold, the developer of the product A receives $X-Y. Y is the seller's commission. If the product is also resold through another seller, which will receive a commission Z, then the developer will get $X-Y-Z. Now, please answer this question. You as a buyer, when you take out of your wallet $X to pay for that product, how much, of X, do think should developer should get? What % of X?

A few will say, but why X-Aviation? First of all, a X-Plane dedicated store will support the developer better...for obvious reasons. Second, beyond sceneries, our team is developing aircrafts too. So, GIZMO support is included, for our DC-9 project. Also, you might not know, we, Icarus, are developing the P180 Avanti II for X-Plane 11...for free! With full support, both from X-Aviation and Gizmo64! If you haven't. check about this here: 

 

Does this tell you something? Have you seen many stores/developers doing this? A few might have their own reasons, not my job to judge.But, X-Aviation is a very good store to buy some of the best addons in X-Plane. Personally, I don't have any problems with any retail in X-Plane world. We should not create "sides". Those who are doing so, are serving badly X-Plane community. I will leave you with a "fun fact". I work with X-Aviation, but personally I have spent more than 2x in x-plane.org store. Why not?

Thanks so much for your engagement in this forum!  I'm looking forward to purchasing your KSAN scenery.

AND...do you have any other teaser information on the DC-9 project?  Will you be including early variants like the -10, -15 or -20?  Would love to see those, as the -50 starts to look and feel so much like the MD-80 series.

So exciting to hear about a DC-9!

Thanks, 

Bill

[rototom 198]

23 hours ago, Airfighter said:

You as a buyer, when you take out of your wallet $X to pay for that product, how much, of X, do think should developer should get? What % of X

You get what you pay. X-Aviation provides no support and is down right condescending to it's customers. And that behavior impacts your sales. So in the end, are you getting more %??

I agree that we need more quality payware for X-plane, but the effort is negated if it comes via X-Aviation. I would love you give you money for this scenery, but it's not going to happen.

[Airfighter 150]

13 hours ago, wcschulz3 said:

Thanks so much for your engagement in this forum!  I'm looking forward to purchasing your KSAN scenery.

AND...do you have any other teaser information on the DC-9 project?  Will you be including early variants like the -10, -15 or -20?  Would love to see those, as the -50 starts to look and feel so much like the MD-80 series.

So exciting to hear about a DC-9!

Thanks, 

Bill

Thanks a lot Bill! My pleasure to take part in the conversation! I don't think that been a developer, I have obtained a "celebrity" status to be somewhere...high above all...unreachable! 

I would soon a detailed article in my blog about DC-9 with all the details. So keep in touch with us!

13 hours ago, rototom said:

You get what you pay. X-Aviation provides no support and is down right condescending to it's customers. And that behavior impacts your sales. So in the end, are you getting more %??

I agree that we need more quality payware for X-plane, but the effort is negated if it comes via X-Aviation. I would love you give you money for this scenery, but it's not going to happen.

This negativity is exactly what I'm talking about. Using false claims, aka X-Aviation does not provide support, you are taking sides with or against someone. On a public conversation, as is here, would be better to provide facts. Solid facts. If you personally have problems with XA and haven't been solved, or you think that you have been mistreated, do ahead, provide facts. Otherwise...there is a "modern" term for that situation...

X-Plane with 11 version grows a lot. Few months ago, in AVSIM screenshot forum, barely you could find any X-Plane screenshots. X-Plane related threads were about 1 to 10...to 20. If you go now, X-Plane related threads are the majority. Simmers like it! But creating negativity regarding one of main X-Plane sellers with false claims, is poisoning.

Here in Greece there is a wise quote: "Better to be first in the village, rather last in the city". X-Plane is growing to be a city. That stuff drag it down. Maybe some want X-Plane to be small, so they will be "first". We don't! That's why we are working with FSX developers. To make, from our part and with our powers, X-Plane bigger. The next city that will harbor the simmers' dreams!  

I will ask @Cameron XA to provide us here, or I will post them within the day, the latter statics about support tickets X-Aviation have received and the percentage of solving those tickets. Spoiler Alert.... you are totally wrong! But we will see the evidence.

 

 

[desdichado 0]

I have the Icarus KSAN because i have the LatinVFR version for Prepar3D.... not sure if it my system or it needs optimisation. ON X-plane 10 it turns into a slideshow and in X-Plane 11... it kills my video card and crashes  X-plane, but it does look awesome

[Airfighter 150]

7 hours ago, desdichado said:

I have the Icarus KSAN because i have the LatinVFR version for Prepar3D.... not sure if it my system or it needs optimisation. ON X-plane 10 it turns into a slideshow and in X-Plane 11... it kills my video card and crashes  X-plane, but it does look awesome

Please post in the support forums, were we can provide you full support. It is quite hard to troubleshooting throughout the internet! Also, there will be concentrated any problems/suggestions/tips, so it will be easily searched.

http://forums.x-pilot.com/forums/forum/211-san-diego-intl-airport/

[rototom 198]

9 hours ago, Airfighter said:

I will ask @Cameron XA to provide us here, or I will post them within the day, the latter statics about support tickets X-Aviation have received and the percentage of solving those tickets. Spoiler Alert.... you are totally wrong! But we will see the evidence.

Your going to ask for statistics regarding support from X-Aviation? Do you recognize the conflict of interest here? Not interested in fudged numbers, but thanks for offer.  Monitor the forums, and you'll soon find the evidence. I hear it from real customers.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me, because I won't do business with X-Aviation. If you want to, by all means go for it.

I'm just as interested in seeing X-plane grow, so I'm off to the org to buy more stuff...

[Cameron XA 272]

1 hour ago, rototom said:

Your going to ask for statistics regarding support from X-Aviation? Do you recognize the conflict of interest here? Not interested in fudged numbers, but thanks for offer.  Monitor the forums, and you'll soon find the evidence. I hear it from real customers.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me, because I won't do business with X-Aviation. If you want to, by all means go for it.

I'm just as interested in seeing X-plane grow, so I'm off to the org to buy more stuff...

Mr Shield,

I'd appreciate if you'd stop making attempts to spread false information about lack of support.

There are a number of individuals here and in the community as a whole who have made claims like this over time. In almost every one of these cases there was much more to the story than was being told, and piracy had a lot to do with many of those cases. I won't elaborate on this further because it's a waste of time, but the evidence is overwhelming on these individuals. When they ultimately get caught (and often times even will admit the offense to us in support channels), they will come here in a rage over the fact they have lost access to said product(s). This usually results in the immature line of "I'm not getting any support." Sadly, this is something we have to deal with when taking overall demographics into consideration for this user base. And, just so we're clear, we never assume someone is stealing or sharing. It's beyond reasonable doubt once we reach that point.

Anyways, for those that want information, we can see anywhere between 700-1500 support tickets in a week depending on the situation (how soon after a sale or new product, etc). I know this information doesn't interest you, but I'll post the stats of our last three days here for everyone to look at.

Stating we do not provide support is simply not true, and I certainly don't appreciate you trying to assert such (especially not even being a customer of ours with your own experience). Trusting everything you read with regards to negativity and not understanding the full story from someone is akin to you trusting every story you read in the National Enquirer. Junk!

[Novation 534]

1 hour ago, Cameron XA said:

Trusting everything you read with regards to negativity and not understanding the full story from someone is akin to you trusting every story you read in the National Enquirer. Junk!

There is a very weird agenda among a certain core of XP users, that seem hell bent on destroying the thing they like, or seriously limiting its future. As a fairly new XP devotee I'm baffled by what goes on over this side of the fence.

I would not want to be a developer trying to break in to the XP market, that's for sure.... yikes

[tonywob 4,769]

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