Ray Proudfoot

Is EzDok a good replacement for a POV hat?

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I'm contemplating upgrading my Saitek Pro Yoke & throttle quadrants to a PFC Cirrus Saab yoke with their throttle quadrants. Whilst there are many gains there is one significant drawback. The PFC doesn't have a POV hat.

I've searched for any type of hardware that might include a POV hat but is not a joystick. The only possibility is a Logitech G13 keypad but the joystick doesn't look very good and it's expensive.

Could EzDok provide an alternative with customised views? I would like to assign a left/right and up/down action to 4 buttons emulating the POV action.

Never used EzDok but it does seem a popular utility.

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50 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I would like to assign a left/right and up/down action to 4 buttons emulating the POV action.

Hi Ray, I'm using EzDoc v2.5 beta for P3D v4 and there is a function 'Walk around' which can be activated for each camera view, what that means is you can use the standard keyboard arrow keys to move up and down and from side to side. ( as well as the mouse scroll button )

I see you are still using p3d v3.4 and you would need the flight 1 Ezdoc v2,  just check that this function was on v2. There are YouTube videos around which you can review.

bob

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19 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Check out Chaseplane.

Thanks. Do you have both? If so which do you think is the better product? One of my main requirements is to switch to an external view and be able to pan and tilt. Like when using GEX and watching the catering and loading vehicles.

I would also like to be able to switch internal VC views quickly using the NumPad similar to SimpleCam by AivlaSoft. Do these programs utilise the centre mouse wheel for moving around?

 

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1 minute ago, onebob said:

Hi Ray, I'm using EzDoc v2.5 beta for P3D v4 and there is a function 'Walk around' which can be activated for each camera view, what that means is you can use the standard keyboard arrow keys to move up and down and from side to side. ( as well as the mouse scroll button )

I see you are still using p3d v3.4 and you would need the flight 1 Ezdoc v2,  just check that this function was on v2. There are YouTube videos around which you can review.

bob

Thanks Bob. Staying with 3.4 until FS Labs convert Concorde. That keyboard action sounds ideal.

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2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That keyboard action sounds ideal.

sorry just miss lead you a little ,the up and down keys moves in and out and the page up and down keys  moves up and down.

the right and left arrows are side to side.

bob

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3 minutes ago, onebob said:

sorry just miss lead you a little ,the up and down keys moves in and out and the page up and down keys  moves up and down.

the right and left arrows are side to side.

bob

That's okay Bob. Sounds like the view position can be manipulated. Once I have the viewing position I want can I save it to a key or preferably a button on my yoke?

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15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

That's okay Bob. Sounds like the view position can be manipulated. Once I have the viewing position I want can I save it to a key or preferably a button on my yoke?

You can select a joystick button or a key to any view,

some of the number pad keys are used but you could reassign them

don't forget this is ver 2.5 beta for P3D v4 just check that the same function are in v2,

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28 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Thanks. Do you have both? If so which do you think is the better product? One of my main requirements is to switch to an external view and be able to pan and tilt. Like when using GEX and watching the catering and loading vehicles.

I would also like to be able to switch internal VC views quickly using the NumPad similar to SimpleCam by AivlaSoft. Do these programs utilise the centre mouse wheel for moving around?

 

Yes Chaseplane allows u to use the center mouse button.  I made the switch from ezdok mainly because it was much easier for me to use.  U must have a internet connection at all times when using Chaseplane though.  I liked ezdok but I am not missing it it all.

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2 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Yes Chaseplane allows u to use the center mouse button

So does ezdok.

They both allow you to have multiple views programmed to buttons or allow you to cycle through a set of views. You can exclude certain views from that cycle (left and right views for instance). In any view you can grab the mouse and look around or have it set to only look around when you press the middle mouse button. You can also assign movement controls to a joystick device or game pad. I have them configured to both do the same things, I use buttons on the yoke to go have left/right views and then also to go from PIC view to overhead, aft overhead, or down to throttles or center console etc. They both have internal, external and world view categories. Chaseplane will pull down the latest beta everytime you start it if you want it to. As pointed out it also requires a live internet connection, it also allows you to store your settings in their cloud. Ezdok doesn't need permanent internet and you can save different profiles locally for different aircraft. Both of them autoswitch to the profile and camera positions you have set for each aircraft.

They are different approaches to the same functionality. You will potentially get lots of very passionate 'fans' of either criticizing the other solution but the reality is that it's a hard one to call as they both are very similar.

I have both and right now I think chaseplane is good but ezdok is my everyday camera tool. I just find it easier and slicker although I often switch between them to see how they each develop and my opinion can change from month to month!

Chris

 

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50 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Thanks. Do you have both? If so which do you think is the better product? One of my main requirements is to switch to an external view and be able to pan and tilt. Like when using GEX and watching the catering and loading vehicles.

I would also like to be able to switch internal VC views quickly using the NumPad similar to SimpleCam by AivlaSoft. Do these programs utilise the centre mouse wheel for moving around?

 

Hi Ray,

I faced the same problem when I upgraded from a Saitek Yoke to a PFC Yoke 6 months ago. I started using Chaseplane and its fabulous. I wouldn't go back to ezdoc after the change. I also purchased an xbox one PC controller and use that for all my views. 

6 months down the road I am very satisfied with my choices. I don't miss the saitek yoke at all.

Pete

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ezDok user here and it will do what you need with aplomb. The CPU usage is also silly minimal.. way less than Chaseplane, so if you're chasing every bit of performance from your machine to sim (aren't we all?!) then i'd say you won't be disappointed. It's also stupidly customisable should you want to get into the nitty gritty of it all, though the new front end is a cinch to setup and use.

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Gents,

Thank you all for your posts. I've spent the last hour or so watching 3 YouTube videos on chaseplane and all 3 were very enthusiastic about it. That includes Frooglesim and Matt Davies who both have EzDok but liked chaseplane a lot.

Requiring permanent internet access isn't a problem. AS16 runs on my P3D computer already.

I did notice on Matt Davies' video the fps and stuttering was quite bad. Wasn't sure if that was down to the PMDG747 or making a video or chaseplane. Or perhaps a bit of each. Given chaseplane can assign itself to the ideal CPU core it should mean the impact on P3D is minimal. Do any of you notice a fps hit using it?

Having never owned EzDok I have no opinion on it either way. But I am impressed with chaseplane especially its intuitive interface. Froogle thought that was one of its strengths.

Pete, you have reassured me that losing the POV won't be a problem, thanks.

Interesting that it's still in beta. I'm on FSFX's chaseplane page now. There's an option to download the beta. No mention of a price. Do I just click to download?

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I've just read the topic about permanent internet connection. On reflection this could prove a problem when I take my PC to monthly flight sim meetings where there is no internet access. I appreciate the company need to protect against piracy but the balance seems too much in their favour without considering the customer.

Suppose the internet goes down in my area. I can't switch views in my aircraft? Sorry, that's too controlling. And I see it's still in beta and available for purchase. Will the price rise once a full release is ready? I've never paid for beta software before.

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The only function you will not have is the mouse scroll wheel 'zoom in/out' , the function is used in Ezdoc but only in edit/camera  set up mode.

not seen a way to redefine this , may some one could confirm this.

bob

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The mouse zoom is in the works a la v1.7... used EZCA for years, don't intend to change... works like a treat.

C

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Another vote here for Chaseplane from an ex-Ezdok user since its launch. Would never go back.

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It looks like the amount of negative feedback about the need for an internet connection for the software to work is under consideration after v1 is released.

Good. Imagine if FSDT, PMDG and others designed their products so they only worked if you had an internet connection. There would be bedlam and rightly so.

I already fly an aircraft that 'phones home' after a random number of days to check your licence. I can live with that because it means I can still fly it when I don't have an internet connection.

Having watched videos for both EzDok and ChasePlane I am definitely attracted to the latter. I'm not planning to get a PFC yoke for a couple of months so I can easily wait for CP v1 to be released but I'll keep an eye on the forum and may buy sooner.

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Seriously, check ezDok and it's cinematic external camera modes, it's tight integration with ASP4 for ultra realistic weather/cam turbulence effects and it's constantly updated (via user feedback) support... not to mention it's silly easy front end yet hugely customisable front end and you end up with the definitive cam upgrade for your sim. Add to that, as i've said before, pretty much minimal CPU overhead compared to Chaseplane (do a search) and you really cannot go wrong...

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1 minute ago, stripealipe said:

Seriously, check ezDok and it's cinematic external camera modes, it's tight integration with ASP4 for ultra realistic weather/cam turbulence effects and it's constantly updated (via user feedback) support... not to mention it's silly easy front end yet hugely customisable front end and you end up with the definitive cam upgrade for your sim. Add to that, as i've said before, pretty much minimal CPU overhead compared to Chaseplane (do a search) and you really cannot go wrong...

Both products seem to have their fans. The downside to EzDok as I see it is patchy support in the past and an interface that is less intuitive than its competitor. On the plus side it needs no internet access and appears to have minimal impact on P3D.

It's not clear at this point how much of a hit CP has on P3D. I presume that can be refined during beta testing. It would be odd if it impacted to the extent it seriously degraded the sim. Self defeating springs to mind.

Ideally I'd like to read a review of CP before buying as it would be based on a formal release, not beta. I'm not desperate for this type of utility. My post was to gauge whether there was something out there that would allow me to create custom external views of the aircraft as I'll be losing the POV hat should I move to a PFC yoke. That concern has been resolved with posts here.

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22 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Both products seem to have their fans. The downside to EzDok as I see it is patchy support in the past and an interface that is less intuitive than its competitor. On the plus side it needs no internet access and appears to have minimal impact on P3D.

It's not clear at this point how much of a hit CP has on P3D. I presume that can be refined during beta testing. It would be odd if it impacted to the extent it seriously degraded the sim. Self defeating springs to mind.

Ideally I'd like to read a review of CP before buying as it would be based on a formal release, not beta. I'm not desperate for this type of utility. My post was to gauge whether there was something out there that would allow me to create custom external views of the aircraft as I'll be losing the POV hat should I move to a PFC yoke. That concern has been resolved with posts here.

Ray-

'Twas my PFC Console II that required me to get EZCA... It has served me well ever since.  Either way, I believe you will be well satisfied.  For me, EZCA works, and Marniftarr has returned to active status (after a protracted illness) and is communicating, usually several times daily.  Good luck with whatever you decide on... the point is to FLY :)

C

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Thanks Carl. I always believe in chewing over any decision. Both have their fans. Both have advantages and drawbacks. Either would probably suffice. Hopefully a clear choice will emerge before I get much older. :wink:

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15 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Thanks Carl. I always believe in chewing over any decision. Both have their fans. Both have advantages and drawbacks. Either would probably suffice. Hopefully a clear choice will emerge before I get much older. :wink:

Ray,

I'm also using an ol' MS Sidewinder joystick with a POV on top.  It sets beside my PFC Yoke and T/Q.  I also use the joystick for a tiller.  The POV and tiller are programed through P3d.

blaustern

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40 minutes ago, Bluestar said:

Ray,

I'm also using an ol' MS Sidewinder joystick with a POV on top.  It sets beside my PFC Yoke and T/Q.  I also use the joystick for a tiller.  The POV and tiller are programed through P3d.

blaustern

I'm not going to have a great deal of spare room once this new yoke and throttle quadrant arrive. Using a joystick purely for its POV hat is not possible I'm afraid. I've got rudder pedals for ground steering but your stick acting as a tiller is probably more realistic. Thanks for sharing though. :smile:

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