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JP_Visser

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i've just learned that one of my repaints is on fsplanet.com.even though the readme says this:"RNLAF/KLu repaint of the DC10-30F by SGA.repaint by JP Visser.this is conditionware.this archive is only to be hosted on Avsim.com and Flightsim.comi do expressly forbid FSPLANET.COM and SURCLARO.COM to host this file.any other can email me to request permission if they wish this paint on their website.unless written permission is given,you are not allowed to host it.all altered textures are © JP VISSER/VAA,nobody can use themwithout asking me first.do not make money with this file,it is free.now that is out of the way,i do hope you'll enjoy my paint.JP Visser"but obviously,he hasn't read that.i'm raving mad.really.tataJP.

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Oh, he has read it alright, he simply doesn't give a fiddler's fugh. He recognizes only one sort of wishes: his own.Trek je er niet teveel van aan, je bent het umptentumptigste slachtoffer van die lul.Be well!Jaap Verduijn.

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the dude wants my postal adress?why is that????tataJP.

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>the dude wants my postal adress?>why is that????>>tata>>JP.Who? The guy at fsplanet? OMG I wouldn't give them ANYTHING! Look at how many files (and who knows what else) they blatently STEAL- give them your address and your bound to come home to ....well- NOTHING!

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yeah some guy of fsplanet asks for my postal adress...i don't get it.i do hope they'll remove my file though,i'm the one who decides who hosts it,and who doesn't.but that'll be dreaming i guess then.tataJP.

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Ferdy always starts his legal threats with "Send me your mail address so our lawyers can contact you". My response, in the half dozen times he has threatened to take AVSIM/me/us to court has been to tell him; "If your lawyer is worth what your paying him, and you really do have a lawyer, have him get my address. It ain't like rocket science you know". Nothing ever comes of it, and it is simply Ferdy's immature and reckless attempt to intimidate you. But, you being in the EU, do have recourse, don't you? He's in Spain after all, and it seems to me that there should be some EU agreement somewhere that you could hammer him with.

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Tell him to take off! He's trying that same BS about how he's going to sue you and needs your address to subpoena you for court. He's going to try to tell you that you are defaming and slandering his website by forbidding them from hosting you files. The guy is full of it. All the same, I wouldn't give him anything. The best way to fend off 'Mr. F' is to charge download fees for your files on his site. Make it payware for everyone else except AVSIM and Flightsim. And charge an upload fee of $10,000 U.S. to allow the "other sites" to host them. That way, they owe you money and the rest of us who follow the rules can keep getting your awesome files. If you charge everyone who doesn't have permission, then maybe you could stick it to him in court for a change! :>just a suggestionbest

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>Tell him to take off! He's trying that same BS about how>he's going to sue you and needs your address to subpoena you>for court. He's going to try to tell you that you are>defaming and slandering his website by forbidding them from>hosting you files. The guy is full of it. >>All the same, I wouldn't give him anything. >>>The best way to fend off 'Mr. F' is to charge download fees>for your files on his site. Make it payware for everyone else>except AVSIM and Flightsim. And charge an upload fee of>$10,000 U.S. to allow the "other sites" to host them. That>way, they owe you money and the rest of us who follow the>rules can keep getting your awesome files. If you charge>everyone who doesn't have permission, then maybe you could>stick it to him in court for a change! :>>>just a suggestion>>>bestthat's a good idea,i will from now on order everybody who hosts the file without my permissionto pay a hosting fee,as well as a per download fee.i will only grant a few selected sites permission to host my files without being charged the aforementioned fee(s)Tom,i'll see if i can do anything about him,i will contact my lawyer,to seeif he has any idea what to do,and if it might befeasable.i don't think i'll have much chance though,but i can always try.and as i am in the EU allright,i might be able to do something.in any case,i have more chance then you guys across the pond i think.tataJP.

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There is as yet no common EU IP law. It was shot down as it also contained the highly criticised (correctly) plans on software patents which would make the situation concerning those worse in Europe than it is in the US right now.So there is no way even for other EU citizens to get to Ferdy, except that maybe taking the guy to court is cheaper for someone in another EU country than it would be for you from across the Atlantic.

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If I may butt in....while I am TOTALLY on your side, I am in the music business where copyrights are everything and I can tell you not to waste your time.You have placed your work in the public domain and while you can license some for free and charge others if you want to, if the host doesn't charge, then you have no allegation of a direct profit motive and few courts would impose statutory damgages on an alleged infringer if the work has already been published throughout the world for free.You would have problems with the "Fair Use" provisions that exist in the U.S. and most other nations that are signatories to the Berne Convention.Just IMHO....take a deep breath and forget it.Best,Jim

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"i'll see if i can do anything about him, i will contact my lawyer,to see if he has any idea what to do,and if it might be feasable."What damages can you really prove? Has everyone flocked to his site to get just your downloads? I'm just trying to give you an idea of the frame of mind this guy is in--I am playing "Devil's advocate".He knows the numbers. Just as he knows he won't get anywhere threatening you with a lawyer, he also knows you won't get anywhere. However, getting a collection of MSFS developers together and filing a class action suit, as well exposing his advertisers--you may get some justice that way.I for one am against conditionware statements that target specific sites. The net isn't made up of rational people. Some of them I even consider borderline psychotic. I'd make it clear where you want your work uploaded to, and make it clear that your permission is required elsewhere. Also add what the damages are if the permission isn't sought.Having grown up on Chicago's south side, I consider myself pretty good in a fight--even though I've put on the pounds and the years. But I won't go into a South Side bar with a t-shirt that says "Take Me On!" I can handle the sober ones--but it's the ones with no inhibitions and no sense of right and wrong that can catch you with a left hook. Sites that poach and collect money for access to our work are already operating with more than a few screws loose.-John

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Jim,In his case, the host does charge. Although they claim there's "free" access, when I learned of my Mirage ending up on the site once, I tried to download it. I was unable to. That isn't "free" access--that's access for profit--or at least trying to encourage the user that money must change hands in order to access a free file.-John

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i know i'll probably end upirritating myself for nothing,i have politely asked him to remove my file(s)then i get "what is your postal adress?"in return.after that,i have explained why i did not want him to host my filebut i haven't threathened to use a lawyer.he just did,he told me he has forwarded my email to his solicitors,and he has my ip,or so he says ;)afaic,i'm right,and he is still wrong.there is no solicitor who can change that imho.i am stating the known sites i do not want my files to host,because i have tried to download them at both,and wasn't able to,even after repeated attempts.this means he is making money over my work,period.and whilst i can't do anything about it now,maybe i or someone else can in the future,citing many posts at f.i avsim.com to prove he's right.if nothing else,it annoys the crap outta me that people can dothings like this.tataJP.

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My own experience in one or two similar cases (although not concerned with computers and software), was that a personal visit worked miracles. The actual physical location of this sort of guys tends to be hard to discover, but it's not impossible. I've always been pleasantly satisfied with the resulting whole-hearted cooperation.Be well!Jaap Verduijn.

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I just had a nasty idea, too bad someone does not create a repaint, or a plane and in the read me give credit to everyone on Avsim for contributing to the making of that file. Then when it appears on that other site he could be bombarded with requests from everyone at Avsim to remove the file. :-lol He could sick his lawyers on every one of us! :-lol Just an idea for future consideration.Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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I just don't get it why he does it. Does he make a lot of money? I think it's hard to make money off a website these days. Maybe he just suffers from some mental disorder.

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Ferdi's somewhere in Spain. Not impossible to visit in person but gets kinda expensive :)

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Actually no, I don't think he suffers from a mental disorder, he just has not grown up yet. Look at the situation, he talks to his imaginary friends (lawyers), he thinks that all of the toys are his to do with as he pleases, and when he does not get his way he throws a temper tantrum. Just like three year old. :-lol Honestly, I think that it is an ego thing for him, I believe that he wants to be known to everyone as a kind, giving person, but also well known, if not the best known in FS circles. The fact that he argues so strongly that what he does is right and will not even consider that what he is doing is wrong says that he has some internal need to do what he does. It is just sad that people can not see truth beyond themselves. Philip Olsonhttp://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/supporter.jpg

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If he wanted his site to be recognized as a serious FS site I think the best thing to do would be to obey the wishes of addon developers who don't want their files uploaded there. If the site's good otherwise, people might come back though it's unlikely at this point.

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We need to organize a mass emailing to the companies that advertise on his site. We need to let them know that as long as they advertise with him they are supporting software piracy and we as the flight simming public will boycott all their products until they discontinue working with him. You've got to stick it to him where it hurts-his bank account.:-hang

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>We need to organize a mass emailing to the companies that>advertise on his site. We need to let them know that as long>as they advertise with him they are supporting software piracy>and we as the flight simming public will boycott all their>products until they discontinue working with him. You've got>to stick it to him where it hurts-his bank account.>>:-hang i will even go one step further:as most of the companies advertising with him do have antipiracy measures in place themselves,i feel they are being hypocrits for supporting his site,when it clearlyviolates the wishes of many authors,as i do know that i'm not the first.not even the 100th person,i think.also,it is quite obvious that most,if not alladdon companies do visit Avsim once in a while.personally,i won't buy nothing from anybodyadvertising on that site,haven't done so in the past,never will in the future.tataJP.

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Hi JP:I agree with you 100%.Just looking at the FS Planet Store Market and what is available there,I guess I won`t be buying payware or hardware from anybody!They all seem to be on his site and for sale.Why do these companies not seem to have a problem being there....go figure http://kazanriver.sphosting.com/images/avban1.jpgTrapperIditrod coming March 5/2005

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>Hi JP:>I agree with you 100%.Just looking at the FS Planet Store>Market and what is available there,I guess I won`t be buying>payware or hardware from anybody!They all seem to be on his>site and for sale.Why do these companies not seem to have a>problem being there....go figure it's just odd,they're all whining about piracy,inventing stuff that drives even the customers away,but a guy pirating free stuff apparently does a good job then.oh it's free,so that does not count or something.they could start showing they're serious by denying people like that their products.as long as they keep him in the air,i feel they should stop moaning themselves about pirated copies of their software,after all,what that site does is exactly what they don't wanthappening with their own files.you harvest what you sow eh.edit:it may sound harsh,but reality often is harsh.get over it ;)tataJP.

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"(...) You have placed your work in the public domain (...)"On the contary! His conditions make completely clear that "placing it in the public domain" is exactly what the did NOT!Be well!Jaap Verduijn.

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Well, of course I'd combine it with a nice holiday! Five minutes to make Ferdy see the errors of his ways, and then two weeks to rejoice in his repentence while pottering about in the sun with a bunch of Iberian beauties! Be well!Jaap Verduijn.

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