Got to add my vote for the DF A36. I have many others, but I won't fly much else when smoothness counts. I can't fly the 112A, too much of a frame rate hit. I own it but it just won't get out of the single digits with the glass panel. Others don't seem to have a problem. I can fly the A36, the DF Baron and the Aeroworx Beech B200 with no problem, but the 112A just brings my system to its knees. Someone else mentioned the 115TC from FSD. Not bad either but no comparison to the A36.

I never said you said! :-) read again:"The last time, it has been lenghtly discussed in the Aircraft and Panel Design forum, where the general idea is that: 1) there is no magic in these gauges and no secret technique"This conclusion came from the last discussion in the forum!As for the SDK limitations, I can assure you that these can be bypassed (especially the VOR needles case mentioned above). The 3D polygon technique makes it VERY hard to bypass. Reality XP gauges do not suffer from these limitations for example.Hope this helps!

""O.K. guys I misunderstood him, sorry..."No problem, Dillon, after all, your signature banners say it all, and I am humbled in the presence of a real-world, multi-thouand hour ATP such as yourself. ;-)Okay, time for bed. I'm going flying tomorrow in my lowly, slow, non-automated Piper Dakota, without an FMC, VNAV, EFIS, a turbine, and all that other fancy stuff. About all it offers is $120/hr operating costs.Not sure how I can fly it without all that stuff being on board, but I'll give it a shot! :-lol Wish me luck!Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

>This makes the SF260 useless to follow a VLOC/GS from the VC with precision. The same applies to the RMI and the ADF in the aircraft.

>Yeah... Real air has a monopoly on the smooth guages. They>have figured something out that no one else have.>>Only wish they would do a regular twin.. like a Piper Seminole>or a Seneca or something.>>MannyCorrect Manny! Real Air really does have a MONOPOLY on smooth gauge operation!While their technique is well known by many developers, the IMPLEMENTATION of the technique is UNSURPASSED by those who claim superior gauge smoothness but do not deliver it...Real Air should be commended for their SUPERIOR implementation of these techniques and recognized as the LEADER in smooth gauges :-)

>Nobody mentioned the Eaglesoft cirrus SR/22. VERY NICE!!! All glass panel. Highly recommended!!

"I am humbled in the presence of a real-world, multi-thouand hour ATP"I wish... :+ Maybe in a reincarnated life or something... Have a safe flight tomorrow and upgrade those avionics (so you can stop hating on my $26.00 add-ons over here). You

I was about to answer the same to you Ron: "Pretty strong words about a fellow developer Ron"... Nevertheless, it is really hard to properly follow an ILS with needles jumping every 1 second to another position, with no visibility until the very end, and I've no doubt most of Real Air customers are pretty satisfied with this.By the way, if not clear enough to you (by the perceived tone of your posts in this thread), or anyone else, I merely exposed the facts, that has been discussed already in the forums, about the technique Real Air is using in comparision to other techinques.Let me say it again since this is not that obvious to you from reading again your post: "Nevertheless, Real Air has to be commended for having been the first to try this 3D polygon only approach of the gauges."Hope this helps!

No answer required Jean Luc.The SIMULATOR limitation of 1 second hardly renders other vendors products "useless" for a precision approach....Statements such as "Real Air SF260 is useless for precision approach" are indeed uncalled for. This statement implies that all vendors who follow MS SDK with its 1 second limitation are "useless" when it comes to precision approaches.The facts are that literally thousands of FS aircraft by dozens of vendors fly precision approaches well enough to satisfy their customers demands. Perhaps an apology to Real Air, Microsoft, and by implication, other vendors is in order here....Hope that helps

I have no doubt each customer is satisfied with what they purchase from the vendors they purchase from. In the same respect, I have also no doubt that all customers flying with fluid and precise gauges hardly can step back to regular SDK based gauges and their needles refreshing at 1Hz.Further answering will not serve the purpose of this thread, so I will refrain to. Especially since this has nothing to do with Eaglesoft, or Ron Hamilton.Just make sure to read my post again, especially "and I've no doubt most of Real Air customers are pretty satisfied with this.". I've the uttermost respect for all vendors, Real Air and any other, and nothing in my posts tells otherwise.Back to the original post, most people in this thread recommended the DreamFleet A36 with Reality XP gauges: this is a perfect fit to what you are looking for.Hope this helps!

"I've the uttermost respect for all vendors, Real Air and any other, and nothing in my posts tells otherwise.""Useless for precison approach" implies little respect for another vendors products.Users here did recommend and commend Real Air products to the original poster as "smoothest" while you call the same product "useless". Ending with a "commercial" after calling other products "useless" is indeed very poor taste....Hope that helps

Personally, I strongly prefer to fly from the VC. That being the case, the RA planes fit the bill to a "T". No other planes I've tried offer a better VC experience. I've got nothing at all against RealityXP and the DF A36. It's all personal preference. You make your recommendations, and I'll make mine.BTW, I searched the design forums here and at FS.com and couldn't find any huge threads discussing these limitations (other than a few from back in 2004 prior to when RA released the Spitfire. Can you link me to the one(s) you're referring to as I'd like to read them...

"Real world flying seems to be the stomping ground of the fortunate few these days"Not really. A few years joined a 3 way partnership in a Baron -and I now pay about about 1/2 the cost that I had my 11 years sole ownership of a Beech Debonair-even with late gas prices. No time to fly? No worry now-the slack is easily taken up by two others. Maintanence issues?-split 3 ways. Way back before I bought my single I belonged to a club where everything was volunteered and operated at cost-also very cheap.Now boating or golfing, eating out, or the worst one-car ownership-those can be downright expensive.By the way-when I sold my Debonair after owning it for 11 years I made a $10,000 profit-and that was in a horrible market. What will your car sell for after 5 years of use?I prefer to buy two year old used cars and drive them till they die-not because I can't afford new cars-but because cars seem one of the worst bargains in life to me-not airplanes. Adjust a few things, juggle a few others, look around, and flying can be quite reasonable.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

Sure! there are a couple actually. The latest I remember about is:http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=sho...&topic_id=23486in which Cloud9's developper mentions: "It's the only airplane in FS were I'm able to handfly an ILS just by following the Flight Director bars, because thanks to the smooth refresh, they become easier to follow." speaking about his own technique (not like the one Real Air is using)Also in the same thread, Bill Leaming's comments: "However, RealAir didn't "invent" the technique......Microsoft did!"Karl R Pettersen comments: "Well, there also exist quite a limitation to these techniques, which is why I won't even try them. Although the gauge graphics might be held in the panel, the mechanism driving the needle is still part of the modelfile. This means that it cannot be changed to read your personalized tooltip, add compatibility with some of your own other gauges you might have installed, fix any failure handling, or even replace it with a digital gauge if you wanted so. You might get smooth gauges, but the cost is far too high for me."Hope this helps!

Great points Geofa but you really have to make sure whoever you go into an investment partnership with is on the level. Even if they are there