During the flight Autogen is reloading only few miles in front of the Aircraft. Every mile you can see spawing new autogen areas. It is very bad since 4.3

On 7/5/2018 at 12:00 PM, orbmis said:

For a hypothetical, what are your thoughts on running an External Limiter, i.e. Nvidia Control Panel or Nvidia Inspector, locking frames at 30, and then setting P3D with VSYNC=ON, TripleBuffer=Off, and Targeted Frames=Unlimited ?

I haven't tried using external frame limiters via NCP or NI ... they are artificial limiters and don't accurately represent the actual "state" the monitor is in (it's timing signal) and hence the timing may vary a little from actual.  Vsync ON is always the preferred option provided your CPU/GPU is able to render frames fast enough so they are available for display (when the Vsync signal is triggered the GPU provides the frame). 

When a monitor finishes displaying a frame it will provide "Frame enable" signal (Vsync) to say "I'm done" which the GPU can detect and then provide the next frame.  Triple buffer option means that the GPU will keep rendering frames (even when no frame enable signal is yet provided) filling a 1st and 2nd back buffer continuously while it waits for the Frame enable signal (Vsync) from the monitor.  So with Triple Buffering when the monitor is ready and triggers it's Vsync signal (frame enable) a more up to date and accurate frame will be used to display ... this reduces what is known as "lag".  What often happens is people enable Triple Buffer hoping for smoother FPS but it actually triggers the opposite affect, this is because their system simply isn't fast enough to operate Triple Buffer.  

Triple buffering does use more VRAM (so if you are pushing your VRAM limits, don't use it).  However, since the GPU keeps processing these extra frames there will be more load, that's why I suggest that if one is using Vsync with Triple Buffer that there system can sustain at least 3 FPS or more above their monitors refresh rate.  In summary, use Triple Buffering with Vsync if you KNOW you have FPS to spare.  How do you know if you have FPS to spare, run Unlimited without Vsync and note your FPS values, if they are higher than your monitor refresh (by 3 or more) in worse case, then use Triple Buffering.

With Vsync ON and Triple Buffer OFF, it's important to note that the GPU will wait for the Frame enable signal (so your CPU/GPU load is reduced while it waits).

With Frame-rate limiter value (not Unlimited) you are artificially bound to a time-frame 0.33ms for 30 FPS or 0.16ms for 60 FPS, also note that FIBER_FRAME_FRACTION values are only relevant when a frame-rate limit is set in P3D, FIBER_FRAME_FRACTION is ignored when operating "unlimited" (with or without Vsync).

My guess is that any "artificial" external limiter provided by NCP or NI will filter the monitor's frame enable (Vsync) signal and provide a "fake" frame enable signal fooling the GPU (so for 60Hz monitor with 1/2 refresh, then every other frame enable signal is ignored/filtered out) ... all being done at the driver level.  So assuming the application (P3D) is able to use this filtered frame enable signal, it would appear to the application (P3D) as 30Hz.  So 60Hz monitor, NCP = 1/2 refresh, Vsync ON, TripleBuffer OFF, and Frame-rate UNLIMITED would be optimal when the monitor can't operate natively at 30Hz.  If you can't get NCP 1/2 refresh rate to work, then the alternate option is setting Frame-rate = 30.

Because external limiters are really software based and not physical frame enable (Vsync) signals there is going to be less accuracy/consistency vs. a true frame enable (Vsync) signal.

Cheers, Rob.

To Somiller & Rob,

Thank You Very Much for your helpful team in sights, thoughts, and opinions on this quite complex subject. Your comments have helped me immensely in coming to a better understanding, and I’m certain there are many others in the forum who also offer their thanks, Much appreciated!!

Regards,

Mike

 

On 7/5/2018 at 12:11 AM, OMGEDSON said:

@Rob Ainscough I wanted to level the playing field on tools...so I went ahead and installed Sandra which I had been meaning to do for some time... check this out: http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcef6d0b1d0edd8eadceedae2c4b68bbb9df89da090b6c5f8c8

 

 

ABOVE IS BEFORE ^

 

BELOW IS AFTER SPLITTING DRIVE INTO SIMPLE NON-RAID SCENARIO AND REIMAGING, LETS DO SOME TESTING!

Edited July 7, 20187 yr by OMGEDSON

Long Thread.  Did anyone mention changing the SATA cables?

Sometimes these cables go bad.  It happened to me and I caught it super fast (it was during my pc upgrades).

 

Edited July 7, 20187 yr by Skywolf

Just now, Skywolf said:

Long Thread.  Did anyone mention changing the SATA cables?

Sometimes these cables go bad.  It happened to me and I caught it super fast (it was during my pc upgrades).

 

No one and thank you for doing so... I will absolutely check this as I did clean the machine recently....

5 hours ago, OMGEDSON said:

ABOVE IS BEFORE ^

 

BELOW IS AFTER SPLITTING DRIVE INTO SIMPLE NON-RAID SCENARIO AND REIMAGING, LETS DO SOME TESTING!

Unfortunately no difference:

 

10 hours ago, Rob Ainscough said:

<Vsync, tiple buffer and limiter explanation>

Great post. This is the best post I've ever read about this subject: it finally (after all these years...) made it completely clear to me how this works. 😃

Can someone help me? I got many problems with blurry textures during approach and late loading of autogen in v4.3. In 4.2 everything works fine.

Here is my .cfg

[GRAPHICS]
SCREEN_CAPTURE_MAX_JOBS=10
VIDEO_CAPTURE_WIDTH=720
VIDEO_CAPTURE_HEIGHT=480
VIDEO_CAPTURE_FPS=30
VIDEO_CAPTURE_BIT_RATE=3200000
VIDEO_CAPTURE_IS_THREADED=True
VIDEO_CAPTURE_INFO_SEND_RATE=20
VIDEO_CAPTURE_MAX_FRAME_SIZE=500000
VIDEO_CAPTURE_TTL=255
HDR_BRIGHTNESS=0.850000
HDR_BLOOM_THRESHOLD=3.000000
HDR_BLOOM_MAGNITUDE=0.050000
HDR_BLOOM_BLUR_SIGMA=0.800000
TONEMAP_DAY_EXPOSURE_KEY=0.280000
TONEMAP_NIGHT_EXPOSURE_KEY=0.140000
HDR_SATURATION=0.970000
MAX_POINT_LIGHTS=800
MAX_SPOT_LIGHTS=750
ViewGroup_Number=-1
MIPMAP_VC_PANELS=1
TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=2048
NUM_LIGHTS=4
COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1
AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1
LANDING_LIGHTS=1
DYNAMIC_LIGHTING=1
DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1
LENSFLARE=1
HDR=1
DYNAMIC_REFLECTIONS=4
SHADOW_QUALITY=4
SHADOW_DRAW_DISTANCE=2
CONTENT_NO_SHADOW=0
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=1
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_CAST=1
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_CAST=0
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_CAST=1
BUILDING_SHADOWS_CAST=1
CLOUD_SHADOWS_CAST=1
PARTICLES_SHADOWS_CAST=1
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
BUILDING_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_LOW=4
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_MID=5
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_HIGH=7
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_ULTRA=12
OPAQUE_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=4096
TRANSLUCENT_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=1024
OPAQUE_SHADOW_DRAW_DISTANCE=2000
TRANSLUCENT_SHAD0W_DRAW_DISTANCE=2000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_LOW=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_MID=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_HIGH=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_ULTRA=0.850000
EFFECTS_QUALITY=2
EFFECTS_DISTANCE=2
TEXTURE_QUALITY=3
IMAGE_QUALITY=0
See_Self=1
Text_Scroll=1
MAP_DRAW_THREADED=1
TRANSLUCENT_SHADOW_DRAW_DISTANCE=2000
MIPMAP_VC_PANELS=1
RS_MIN_OBJECT_PIXEL_RADIUS=2.000000
[WEATHER]
CLOUD_FACING_MODE=0
WindshieldPrecipitationEffects=1
MinGustTime=10
MaxGustTime=500
MinGustRampSpeed=1
MaxGustRampSpeed=200
MinVarTime=5
MaxVarTime=50
MinVarRampSpeed=10
MaxVarRampSpeed=75
TurbulenceScale=1.000000
WeatherGraphDataInDialog=0
AdjustForMagVarInDialog=1
DynamicWeather=0
DownloadWindsAloft=0
DisableTurbulence=0
CLOUD_DRAW_DISTANCE=8
DETAILED_CLOUDS=1
OPTIMIZE_DENSE_CLOUDS=0
CLOUD_COVERAGE_DENSITY=8
THERMAL_VISUALS=0
VolumetricFog=1
DetailedPrecipitation=1
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ChangeTime=4.000000
TransitionTime=4.000000
TEXTURE_FILTERING=16
MSAA=4
SSAA=0
VSYNC=1
FXAA=0
TRIPLE_BUFFER=0
SKINNED_ANIMATIONS=1
TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=30
UPPER_FRAMERATE_LIMIT=30
WideViewAspect=False
FullScreenBackground=False
FullScreenAutoFill=True
ActiveWindowTitleTextColor=255,255,255
ActiveWindowTitleBackGroundColor=0,28,140,64
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InfoUpperLeftTextColorUser=255,0,0
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InfoLowerRightTextColor=255,255,255
InfoLowerRightBackGroundColor=255,0,0,128
InfoBrakesEnable=False
InfoParkingBrakesEnable=False
InfoPauseEnable=True
InfoSlewEnable=True
InfoStallEnable=True
InfoOverspeedEnable=True
InfoWeaponSystemEnable=True
InfoCountermeasureEnable=True
InfoUpperRightTextEnable=True
Fullscreen=True
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AUTOGEN_DRAW_DISTANCE=12000.000000
AUTOGEN_TREE_DRAW_DISTANCE_PERCENT=0.900000
AUTOGEN_TREE_MIN_DISTANCE_TO_LOD=2500.000000
MaxRegionsPurgePerFrame=1
POP_FREE_AUTOGEN=1
AUTOGEN_BATCH_LOD=2
AUTOGEN_VEGETATION_TYPE=0
IMAGE_COMPLEXITY=5
[MAIN]
FIBER_FRAME_TIME_FRACTION=0.01
User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter, Submersible, ExternalSim, Avatar
LabelsSupported=Airplane, Helicopter
Location=0,0,136,39,\\.\DISPLAY1
ShowInfoText=1
Maximized=1
HideMenuNormal=0
HideMenuFullscreen=1
LocationFullScreen=0,0,1920,1080,\\.\DISPLAY1
ContentErrorReporting=1
[PANELS]
IMAGE_QUALITY=1
SAVE_AND_LOAD_PANEL_STATE=0
MAX_VC_TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=4096
PANEL_OPACITY=79
QUICKTIPS=0
PANEL_MASKING=1
PANEL_STRETCHING=1
UNITS_OF_MEASURE=0
PANELS_ALWAYS_ON_TOP=1
[CONTROLS]
Controls_Default=Standard
Controls_Current=Standard
KBDAIL=77
KBDELEV=76
KBDRUD=82
[TextInfo.1]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
[TextInfo.2]
FrameRate=1,1
LockedFrameRate=1,2
GForce=1,3
FuelPercentage=1,4
[TextInfo.3]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
WindDirectionAndSpeed=1,6
FrameRate=2,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
GForce=2,3
FuelPercentage=2,4
[SlewTextInfo.1]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
[SlewTextInfo.2]
FrameRate=1,1
LockedFrameRate=1,2
[SlewTextInfo.3]
Latitude=1,1
Longitude=1,2
Altitude=1,3
Heading=1,4
AirSpeed=1,5
FrameRate=2,1
LockedFrameRate=2,2
[Avatar]
DefaultAvatar=Army Infantry
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LonAccelOnHeadLon=-0.020000
LonAccelOnHeadPitch=-0.010000
RollAccelOnHeadLat=0.010000
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MaxHeadAngle=5.000000
MaxHeadOffset=0.300000
HeadMoveTimeConstant=1.000000
[VirtualCopilot]
VirtualCopilotActive=0
[USERINTERFACE]
SHOW_SCENARIO_WINDOW=1
RestoreTimeOnMove=1
BroadcastGPSData=0
MUTE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PAUSE_ON_LOST_FOCUS=0
PROMPT_ON_EXIT=1
ScreenshotImageFormat=0
SHOW_MISSION_CAPTIONS=1
Map_Orientation=2
ShowMessageText=True
[FACILITIES]
COUNTRY=
STATE=
CITY=
GTL_BUTTON=4096
[DISPLAY.Device.NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070.0.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
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SOUND_FADER1=0.700000
SOUND_FADER2=0.660000
SOUND_FADER3=0.370000
SOUND_FADER4=0.750000
SOUND=1
SOUND_QUALITY=2
SOUND_LOD=0
PrimaryPlaybackDevice={DEF00000-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
VoicePlaybackDevice={DEF00002-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
VoiceCaptureDevice={DEF00003-9C6D-47ED-AAF1-4DDA8F2B5C03}
[TrafficManager]
AirlineDensity=0
GADensity=0
FreewayDensity=29
ShipsAndFerriesDensity=55
LeisureBoatsDensity=44
IFROnly=0
AIRPORT_SCENERY_DENSITY=0
[AContain]
ShowLabels=1
ShowUserLabel=0
ShowLabelManufacturer=0
ShowLabelModel=1
ShowLabelTailNumber=1
ShowLabelDistance=1
ShowLabelAltitude=1
ShowLabelAirline=1
ShowLabelAirlineAndFlightNumber=1
ShowLabelFlightPlan=1
ShowLabelContainerId=0
ShowLabelAirspeed=1
ShowLabelHeading=1
LabelDelay=1000
LabelColor=FFFF0000
EnableRibbonVisuals=0
ShowRibbonUserObject=0
ShowRibbonUserAvatar=0
ShowRibbonAircraft=0
ShowRibbonGroundVehicles=0
ShowRibbonBoats=0
ShowRibbonAvatars=0
ShowRibbonWeapons=0
ShowRibbonCountermeasures=0
UserObjectRibbonColor=FFFF0000
UserAvatarRibbonColor=FFFF8000
AircraftRibbonColor=FF0000FF
GroundVehicleRibbonColor=FF00FF00
BoatRibbonColor=FF00FFFF
AvatarRibbonColor=FFFFFF00
WeaponRibbonColor=FF800000
CountermeasureRibbonColor=FF640080
RibbonFidelity=5.000000
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TEXTURE_SIZE_EXP=10
LOD_RADIUS=5.500000
TESSELLATION_FACTOR=85
MESH_RESOLUTION=22
TEXTURE_RESOLUTION=26
AUTOGEN_VEGETATION_DENSITY=4
AUTOGEN_BUILDING_DENSITY=4
DETAIL_TEXTURE=1
HIGH_RESOLUTION_TERRAIN_TEXTURES=1
WATER_REFLECT_CLOUDS=1
WATER_REFLECT_USERAIRCRAFT=1
WATER_REFLECT_SIMOBJECTS=1
WATER_REFLECT_TERRAIN=1
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFLECT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=1
WATER_REFRACT_CLOUDS=0
WATER_REFRACT_USERAIRCRAFT=0
WATER_REFRACT_SIMOBJECTS=0
WATER_REFRACT_TERRAIN=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_VEGETATION=0
WATER_REFRACT_AUTOGEN_BUILDINGS=0
ENABLE_BATHYMETRY=0
WATER_CLARITY=30
WATER_DETAIL=4
UseGlobalTerrainView=True
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AutoOpenAirTrafficWindow=1
UsePilotVoice=1
ShowATCText=1
PilotVoice=0
COMM_MSG_AI_ATC_COLOR=0XFF8C00
COMM_MSG_ATC_AI_COLOR=0X00008B
COMM_MSG_ATC_USER_COLOR=0X006400
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COMM_MSG_ATIS_COLOR=00000000
[INTERNATIONAL]
ASLAT=2
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MEASURE=0
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PFactor=1.000000
Torque=1.000000
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UnlimitedFuel=False
AllowEngineDamage=True
TrueAirspeed=False
AutoCoord=False
RealMixture=True
StressDamage=False
GEffect=False
ManualLights=True
GyroDrift=False
CrashWithDyn=True
CrashDetection=False
AvatarNoCollision=False
OnCrashAction=0
AutoTrim=False
MomentumEffect=True
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AutoWeaponSwitching=False
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UnlimitedCountermeasures=False
IgnoreAttachmentWeight=True
IgnoreAttachmentForces=True
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RecordAirportVehicles=True
RecordLeisureBoats=True
[SIM]
SYSCLOCK=1
OPTIMIZE_PARTS=1
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DEMO=0
STARTUP_DEMO=
LOAD_SCENARIO_TOOLS=1
LoadCorePlugins=1
LoadWindow=1
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EnableVoiceControl=0
[PointOfInterestSystem]
CycleSetting=0
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Com_Rate=7
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LineWidth=2
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HIGHMEMFIX=1
SCREEN_CAPTURE_MAX_JOBS=10
VIDEO_CAPTURE_WIDTH=720
VIDEO_CAPTURE_HEIGHT=480
VIDEO_CAPTURE_FPS=30
VIDEO_CAPTURE_BIT_RATE=3200000
VIDEO_CAPTURE_IS_THREADED=True
VIDEO_CAPTURE_INFO_SEND_RATE=20
VIDEO_CAPTURE_MAX_FRAME_SIZE=500000
VIDEO_CAPTURE_TTL=255
HDR_BRIGHTNESS=1.140000
HDR_BLOOM_THRESHOLD=3.000000
HDR_BLOOM_MAGNITUDE=0.100000
HDR_BLOOM_BLUR_SIGMA=0.800000
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TONEMAP_NIGHT_EXPOSURE_KEY=0.140000
HDR_SATURATION=0.920000
MAX_POINT_LIGHTS=250
MAX_SPOT_LIGHTS=250
ViewGroup_Number=-1
MAP_DRAW_THREADED=1
MIPMAP_VC_PANELS=1
TEXTURE_MAX_LOAD=4096
NUM_LIGHTS=4
COCKPIT_HIGH_LOD=1
AIRCRAFT_REFLECTIONS=1
LANDING_LIGHTS=1
DYNAMIC_LIGHTING=1
DAWN_DUSK_SMOOTHING=1
LENSFLARE=1
HDR=1
DYNAMIC_REFLECTIONS=4
SHADOW_QUALITY=4
SHADOW_DRAW_DISTANCE=3
CONTENT_NO_SHADOW=0
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_CAST=1
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_CAST=1
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_CAST=1
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_CAST=1
BUILDING_SHADOWS_CAST=1
CLOUD_SHADOWS_CAST=1
PARTICLES_SHADOWS_CAST=1
INTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
EXTERIOR_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
SIMOBJECT_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
TERRAIN_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
VEGETATION_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
BUILDING_SHADOWS_RECEIVE=1
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_LOW=4
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_MID=5
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_HIGH=7
SHADOW_NUM_CASCADES_ULTRA=12
OPAQUE_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=2048
TRANSLUCENT_SHADOW_TEXTURE_SIZE=512
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TRANSLUCENT_SHADOW_DRAW_DISTANCE=2000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_LOW=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_MID=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_HIGH=0.850000
SHADOW_LOG_PARTITION_ULTRA=0.850000
EFFECTS_QUALITY=2
EFFECTS_DISTANCE=2
TEXTURE_QUALITY=3
IMAGE_QUALITY=0
See_Self=1
Text_Scroll=1
DAY_THRESHOLD=42768
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Mode=1920x1080x32
[DISPLAY.Device.Intel(R) HD Graphics 630.1.0]
Mode=1920x1080x32
[MULTIPLAYER]
VoiceVolume=1.500000
FrameSyncRate=0
 

 

My System:
I7-7700k 4.20 GHz
GTX 1070
24 GB RAM
Windows 10

Hello,,

just a note, but do you realize that you have -2- Graphics sections in you .cfg file?

mike

No 😄 And i really don't know why there are 2 Graphics sections. I will delete the second one but is deleting the section a solution?

Edited July 7, 20187 yr by mobiel

11 minutes ago, mobiel said:

No 😄 And i really don't know why there are 2 Graphics sections 

Do you a highly modified/tweaked cfg file? If not, you should backup your cfg file to a safe area, and then delete your cfg file,  & fire up P3D again. With that, it will regenerate a new clean cfg file. 

If you have any issues, your backup file is their for you to reference, etc. if necessary.

Also, be aware the 2nd section contains 2 display.device entries in it.

mike

Edited July 7, 20187 yr by orbmis

Yes, there are some tweks in cfg file but i will try to create a knew one first.

I can put some new tweaks in the new cfg aswell.

No offense to anyone in this thread.  Are there multiple people having problems and did everyone decide to be in 1 thread.  Getting super confusing.

I created a new .cfg and the issue doesn't solved. After flying a few miles ground texture starts to blurry an autogen loads very very late