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I think you can see what is going on here, but just in case, Parking Brakes are set payload and fuel are loaded and that is it. The aircraft is cold and dark and moving without any input. I am using EZCA2, however all effects that affect the aircraft are off to my knowledge, so I don't know what's going on...

 

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31 minutes ago, zanehuston777 said:

I think you can see what is going on here, but just in case, Parking Brakes are set payload and fuel are loaded and that is it. The aircraft is cold and dark and moving without any input. I am using EZCA2, however all effects that affect the aircraft are off to my knowledge, so I don't know what's going on...

 

How do you load the plane in the sim? This usually happen only if the plane is loaded on top of another payware addon or if you have loaded on top of another PMDG plane.

If the above is not the case. Try removing EZCA completely and recheck

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2 minutes ago, Olympic260 said:

How do you load the plane in the sim? This usually happen only if the plane is loaded on top of another payware addon or if you have loaded on top of another PMDG plane.

If the above is not the case. Try removing EZCA completely and recheck

I will uninstall EZCA next, but first I did some testing and noticed that this only occurred during the nighttime, at any airport, only in PMDG aircraft. I have Active Sky for P3dv4 too, if that changes anything. I also noticed that this can also happen with the 747 but I did not test the 777. Thanks!

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1 hour ago, zanehuston777 said:

I will uninstall EZCA next, but first I did some testing and noticed that this only occurred during the nighttime, at any airport, only in PMDG aircraft. I have Active Sky for P3dv4 too, if that changes anything. I also noticed that this can also happen with the 747 but I did not test the 777. Thanks!

You have not still advised how you load the NGX.

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The camera shaking around indicates to me that you're using some sort of program that messes with the sim. EZCA's camera shake feature will do this, but they do this not by modifying the camera view point (as it should be properly done), they do this by injecting physical forces into the sim, as if the aircraft is being hit by very, very, very strong wind. The end result of that physical 'hit' the sim shakes the camera. This injection of physical forces will cause odd behaviors, obviously.

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9 hours ago, Olympic260 said:

You have not still advised how you load the NGX.

Oh sorry I load it through the fmc, but then I tried it again and didn't load it, and the same thing happened.

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34 minutes ago, zanehuston777 said:

Oh sorry I load it through the fmc, but then I tried it again and didn't load it, and the same thing happened.

Through the FMC you load the panel state. I am interested on how you load the plane in the sim. Do you have it as a start up situation? You are loading something else? You are using the default F22?

 

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5 hours ago, Olympic260 said:

Through the FMC you load the panel state. I am interested on how you load the plane in the sim. Do you have it as a start up situation? You are loading something else? You are using the default F22?

 

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Oh, sorry I just choose the aircraft from the menus and location and time, and I have a panel state as default.

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Again, with the cam shaking around like that, there's something doing that, and it's likely also affecting the aircraft.

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3 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Again, with the cam shaking around like that, there's something doing that, and it's likely also affecting the aircraft.

I do not believe it is EZCA or ActiveSky, I beleive it is a PMDG only issue. I loaded up the Majestic Q400 and everything was normal in the same scenario.

 

Thanks for the Help!

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Some random add-on program doing something weird to the sim and PMDG taking the blame, yet again.

This, gents, is why I get so abrasive when people blindly point fingers.

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4 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Some random add-on program doing something weird to the sim and PMDG taking the blame, yet again.

This, gents, is why I get so abrasive when people blindly point fingers.

Dear Kyle,

I'm sorry to say but IMHO your answer is a bit under the belt and shows a lack of professionalism.

This guy newer pointed any fingers but came here to try to find some answers. He newer said "your acft is to blame" but showed an issue where more programs could be the culprit (EZCA, GSX, some scenery or even P3D).

How could he know that AFLT (which adds some lights to the airfield) could make he's ACFT jump like that? In the end he also came back to the forum to report he's findings.

 

I am used to something better by the PMDG stuff.

Please excuse my intervention.

BR,

Gerald

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8 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

This guy newer pointed any fingers but came here to try to find some answers. He newer said "your acft is to blame" but showed an issue where more programs could be the culprit (EZCA, GSX, some scenery or even P3D).

Gerald - it's usually best not to jump into the middle of an interaction, particularly when it isn't warranted, but since you decided to jump in the middle, then please explain your point against the following statement that you claim never occurred:

13 hours ago, zanehuston777 said:

I beleive it is a PMDG only issue.

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9 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

How could he know that AFLT (which adds some lights to the airfield) could make he's ACFT jump like that? In the end he also came back to the forum to report he's findings.

He might not have, but that doesn't excuse blindly pointing fingers. It's not responsible to do so, particularly when there is no evidence to support that our aircraft routinely does this. If there were sporadic reports, then that would be enough to go on, but there aren't any. Camera add-ons can do some weird things (there is actual evidence of this), which means my claim is supported by actual facts. His was not. Blindly pointing fingers despite this lack of evidence is irresponsible, and simmers constantly do it:

FSUIPC being misconfigured can mess up all kinds of planes, ours included - PMDG's fault.
EZDOK injects physics into the sim (it's a camera add-on, so people don't expect it to be messing with physics) causing weird behaviors with complex aircraft - PMDG's fault.
AFLT apparently causes weird stuff if it's not patched to the latest version - PMDG's fault.

Is that fair? No. Is it responsible? No, not really. Does it point to people needing to do a little research and fact finding before blindly pointing fingers? Absolutely.

If someone did something wrong and I wasn't sure who did it for sure, but despite a lack of evidence and information said "you know, I think Gerald did it." Is that fair? Is it responsible? Would it be below the belt for you to point out that my blindly pointing the finger at you wasn't responsible? I think not. I don't think anyone would give you any trouble for that - or they shouldn't.

There's nothing below the belt at all about what I said.

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24 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

Gerald - it's usually best not to jump into the middle of an interaction, particularly when it isn't warranted, but since you decided to jump in the middle, then please explain your point against the following statement that you claim never occurred:

14 hours ago, zanehuston777 said:

I beleive it is a PMDG only issue.

Dear Kyle,

if you read all hes replies you would see that this user newer intended to "point fingers". He's last statement was: "I believe it is a PMDG only issue."! He does not say that it IS! It might have been a combination of 100 facts interracting in the sim.

28 minutes ago, scandinavian13 said:

He might not have, but that doesn't excuse blindly pointing fingers. It's not responsible to do so, particularly when there is no evidence to support that our aircraft routinely does this. If there were sporadic reports, then that would be enough to go on, but there aren't any.

How would any user know how sporadic a certain issue has been reported? By searching thousands of pages since the release of the 737? You could have answered: "Wow..that's a first! We never had such a report and we susspect some other AddOn".

 

Kyle, you, I and a vast majority of users do point fingers.

On 7/20/2018 at 2:51 PM, scandinavian13 said:

The camera shaking around indicates to me that you're using some sort of program that messes with the sim. EZCA's camera shake feature will do this, but they do this not by modifying the camera view point (as it should be properly done), they do this by injecting physical forces into the sim

 

I know the simmers community can be harsh somethimes (I read it all the time regarding release dates....) but I expect more from you, you as a PMDG staff and customer interface.

 

We all have our bad days. I as a user am excused, you as a proffessional PMDG staff member are not 😉!

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6 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

Some random add-on program doing something weird to the sim and PMDG taking the blame, yet again.

This, gents, is why I get so abrasive when people blindly point fingers.

What do you mean I turned it off in the addon manager, and suddenly the aircraft was normal again, I do not know why it only happens to pmdg, I am not blaming PMDG I only put it on this forum because I thought you guys would understand the problem the best.

 

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17 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

if you read all hes replies you would see that this user newer intended to "point fingers". He's last statement was: "I believe it is a PMDG only issue."! He does not say that it IS! It might have been a combination of 100 facts interracting in the sim.

Look at the post of mine that you quoted. I never (note: "never" and not "newer" - I do understand we swap v/w relative to German in English, but it's tough to read) said anyone specific did anything. I said "[t]his, gents, is why I get so abrasive when people blindly point fingers." The important part, here, is the use of people (man), instead of you/he (du/er). VERY big difference. I only started to allude to his belief that it is a PMDG issue (a falsehood, and I knew it to be one) after you had pointed out that he never pointed a finger, which I quoted to be false.

17 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

How would any user know how sporadic a certain issue has been reported? By searching thousands of pages since the release of the 737? You could have answered: "Wow..that's a first! We never had such a report and we susspect some other AddOn".

If someone came in and said "here's all of this evidence that it is only your aircraft," I would have likely said similar to what you wrote. The facts of the situation, however, did not lend to that. There is nothing in our aircraft that can cause that behavior. Anyone can verify: take a clean install of P3D and install the plane. Loading it anywhere in the world would show the plane sitting there without moving. Moreover, if this were an issue with the plane, you'd see more reports of it. Yes, someone would be the first reporter, but if it were inherent to the plane - as our most popular software - reports would show up everywhere.

...and this is the first time I'd heard of it?
...in 6+ years?
...and quite a while since we updated any of the code in the NGX?

Statistically...? Very unlikely.

 

17 minutes ago, GEKtheReaper said:

We all have our bad days. I as a user am excused, you as a proffessional PMDG staff member are not 😉 !

Thanks for your feedback. I don't need your approval. If you act out of line in the forum, I will call it out, and I will not feel remorseful about that.

Use facts, or be called out. Simple as that.

Rule 7, and somewhat Rule 4: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/458101-guidelines-for-participation-in-the-pmdg-forum-please-read/

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, zanehuston777 said:

What do you mean I turned it off in the addon manager, and suddenly the aircraft was normal again, I do not know why it only happens to pmdg, I am not blaming PMDG I only put it on this forum because I thought you guys would understand the problem the best.

 

You're confusing what I wrote. I understand completely that you solved the issue.

It doesn't happen only to our aircraft. If you take your post about AFLT and search online, you will find that it is reported in the P3D forums as affecting any aircraft at night, and that there's a patch. Again, this is why I get a little bent out of shape. In this latest post, you point at our aircraft by saying "only happens to PMDG" after earlier stating that you think this is our fault. This is irresponsible.

https://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=128102

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/537542-p3dv4-aircraft-bounces-and-cant-move/

I get that you're not blaming us, but it's just about as bad if you say "it only happens with [insert add-on here]." It's not true, and again, it looks like no actual research went into that assertion. An assertion with evidence is fine - it shows that you made at least some cursory effort to be fair about the assertion. An assertion like that without evidence isn't fine, however.

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Kyle,

 

I thank you for your time and pertinent response!

Kyle, you are amoug those PMDG staff members that are always active in the forum. You are also among those who almost instantly react to new topics. Hats of for that!

 

You must already know by now that there are billions of factors that can lead to a strange sim behaviour: HW, OS, drivers, SW running, installation manner, AddOn's,....

So if a user does see something strange happening with one PW ACFT (regardless of which it is) he will instantly ask for help in that particular forum. Asking for help does not instantly mean that he blames that third party developer.

Due to the above facts I felt that your response was indeed a bit off. It was just my opinion or how I felt reading your closing words. Sorry if I offended you.

 

Best regards,

Gerald

PS: Sorry for my english. I speak and write in 5 different languages. Misspelling is a downside of that.

 

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Before another escalation:

He presumed that it's PMDGs fault and came back to revisit his statement.

That's it summed up.  

 

1 hour ago, GEKtheReaper said:

PS: Sorry for my english. I speak and write in 5 different languages. Misspelling is a downside of that.

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Yeah happens wayyy to often. I know that feeling.

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To (try) and end this, I came in not blaming anyone, It didn't happen to the majestic q400, so I assumed it was only PMDG that were affected by it. (again, not blaming PMDG, I know I mess with the sim a lot so I thought it could've been something I had done, and just wanted to know what it was). I looked for the issue just using google, (using PMDG as a keyword, noticing that it didn't happen to the Majestic Q400 on my system), and nothing came up, so I assumed I did something silly with the sim and somebody here, who has a much much better understanding of how PMDG aircraft work, would be able to help. I did not come in here, or ever, have intent to offend anyone, and thus do not know why I got this response, however, I will still apologize if I unintentionally said something rude.

 

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Hello dears!

I just want to give you my opinion. It's silly to blame PMDG as well as silly to blame other add-ons for simulator that some users have non-reproducible problems for developers. Reading the messages in the SIM community, you can easily find a solution to most issues. In my case, any of the PMDG aircraft works perfectly with the EZdok Camera2. If there is any doubt about the compatibility, you can turn off only one EZdok mode is Fuselage shakes and any impact on the physics of the simulator will be excluded. By default, this effect is always disabled in the air and its negative impact on the ground we have not observed for PMDG aircraft before.

Complex addons for simulator may not always work out of the box without customization.

Best regards,

Nick

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