WOW! How things have changed!

[pracines 823]

4 hours ago, BimmerCop said:

Thanks for the Jetlinesystems suggestion, guys. I will check them out indeed, though I am a builder myself. I think I can benefit from purchasing the parts and buidling it myself. What are the advantages of going with Jetlinesystems, over building my own?

Why did you come here to ask? I thought since you said you were out of the loop that you were out of the loop.

Edited September 4, 2018 by pracines

[BimmerCop 332]

18 minutes ago, pracines said:

Why did you come here to ask? I thought since you said you were out of the loop that you were out of the loop.

Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I say I was out of the loop? I said that after a 3 year pause, I am ready to get back to flight simming.

I really don’t understand your comment.

[BimmerCop 332]

1 hour ago, w6kd said:

I'd definitely wait to see how the coming i9-9900K or the i7-9700K stack up...reports are now coming in that they will have soldered IHS packages for the first time in a very long time.  They may appear on the shelves in a matter of weeks, or possibly slip to early next year, as apparently there are some bottlenecks forming on the production lines at Intel's only 14nm manufacturing plant.

I'd also do some research on the current state of affairs for RAM, as 3200MHz/CAS 14 is a bit on the slow side these days, and I am led to believe fast RAM can make a difference on builds with the new CPUs and chipsets. 

It's not certain when we might we know if an RTX 2080 video card is worth the ransom w/r/t flight sims...in the meantime the 1080Ti is a very solid performer with P3Dv4.

Welcome back

 

 

Yes, I will definitely wait a bit before committing to a purchase. With Black Friday and Cyber Monday coming up as well, I can definitely get some good deals and hopefully on newer hardware architecture.j

 

54 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

I just built the system in my signature and like it a lot.  The cooler, the Corsair H115i Pro (the Pro on the end is important as the H115i is very noisy) is exceptional and super quiet and does not take up a lot of space like the Noctua NH-D15.  My system is now very stable and all I had to do was set the BIOS to the XMP Mode, set all cores to 50 and sync all cores, save, and exit.  The i7 cores run in the 40 - 49C range when using P3DV4.3.  Of course, no issue with fps over 30.  Here is a FSUIPC log of a recent flight in the PMDG 747 from FSDT KORD to FlightBeam KIAD, with MegaScenery Virginia and Illinois, ActiveSky for P3DV4 w/AS Cloud Art, and Ultimate Trafffic Live:

Minimum frame rate was 11.3 fps, Maximum was 136.1 fps    (minimum fps must be happening at start up as I do not see it during the flight)
Average frame rate for running time of 2844 secs = 57.5 fps
Maximum AI traffic for session was 299 aircraft

P3DV4 and/or X-Plane are the games to play as they are both 64-bit and virtual address space (VAS) is unlimited.  Important as lack of VAS in 32 bit apps caused a lot of crashes.

Best regards,

Jim

 

Thanks for the heads up on VAS. I for sure will stick with P3DV4 and X-Plane.

How about DCS, is that a 64-bit application?

[pracines 823]

8 minutes ago, BimmerCop said:

Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I say I was out of the loop? I said that after a 3 year pause, I am ready to get back to flight simming.

I really don’t understand your comment.

3 years is a LONG time to not be simming (out of the loop). So much has changed in hardware too. 

I can build systems too, but I found that since that is all Jetline does ( build flight sim PC's) , I tried them, their systems and service are so excellent, I stopped building systems. They are totally on top of the software and technology curve. 

So many people build systems, then come here wondering why they have so many problems or performance issues - just have a look at the hardware forum. More money is spent in the end when there is a lack of knowledge.

I just wonder when people ask for advice, then say thanks, but I can do it myself, I wonder why they ask in first place.

[BimmerCop 332]

13 minutes ago, pracines said:

3 years is a LONG time to not be simming (out of the loop). So much has changed in hardware too. 

I can build systems too, but I found that since that is all Jetline does ( build flight sim PC's) , I tried them, their systems and service are so excellent, I stopped building systems. They are totally on top of the software and technology curve. 

So many people build systems, then come here wondering why they have so many problems or performance issues - just have a look at the hardware forum. More money is spent in the end when there is a lack of knowledge.

I just wonder when people ask for advice, then say thanks, but I can do it myself, I wonder why they ask in first place.

That’s the purpose of asking, to get everyone’s different input. One of the suggestions was to purchase one from Jetline and I simply said that I could probably save some money by building it myself. I really don’t see “why you are wondering why ask in the first place”.

Isn’t this what the forums are for? Ask everyone’s opinion and go with the one that suits you best or a combination of many suggestions.

Edited September 4, 2018 by BimmerCop

[Chock 17,769]

If you know what you are doing with computers and are happy to construct one yourself, then there really is no reason not to do so. Sure things move along a bit from time to time and so if you've not built anything for a while it can seem like you're a bit out of the loop, but an afternoon's worth of reading up on what is available and what is coming in terms of hardware is really all it takes to get back up to speed with things.

That said, and as I'm sure you know, it's as well to be sure that each component you consider is not going to be slowed down by some lesser component's throughput causing your fancy bit of hardware from bottlenecking. That's as true as it ever was when it comes to building PCs, so don't just look at components in isolation when researching things; a poor choice of motherboard can really hamstring even a decent processor and/or GPU. You can see that if you look at some of the posts from people on forums where they seem to have the latest rocket-powered bit of kit but can't understand why it isn't doing what they expected. Nine times out of ten it'll be because some other bit is causing the problem.

One of the things you will definitely want, is the best graphics processing you can reasonably afford if VR is something you're looking at. Whilst the resolution of VR is not spectacularly high for most hardware available at present, that is the area where things are being addressed and frequently improving and you can be sure it will change and and the system demands for it will expand quite rapidly. Even now with present hardware, being able to handle VR is a task which will show up the shortcomings of a merely adequate GPU as opposed to a really good one. Moreover, if P3D is one of your potential sims of choice, whilst it certainly outperforms the FSX predecessor in many ways and has pushed more of the work onto the GPU, it does still need quite lot of mainboard processing power to get decent results. That might lead you to suppose that PSUs will be right on the ragged edge but something else worth noting which has changed with GPUs in recent years, is whilst it used to be the case that fancy GPUs used up a ton of power and really necessitated a very high wattage heavy duty PSU, that's a bit less true these days - they're a lot more efficient on power - although as ever, cutting corners on the quality of PSU is never a good idea and it doesn't do any harm to have a bit of headroom on the wattage of a PSU.

Something else you should be budgeting for if VR and DCS are two things on the horizon, is a really decent flight control hardware set up, one with plenty of HOTAS capabilities, since that VR experience will definitely benefit from having plenty of controls close to hand.

 

 

[BimmerCop 332]

40 minutes ago, Chock said:

If you know what you are doing with computers and are happy to construct one yourself, then there really is no reason not to do so. Sure things move along a bit from time to time and so if you've not built anything for a while it can seem like you're a bit out of the loop, but an afternoon's worth of reading up on what is available and what is coming in terms of hardware is really all it takes to get back up to speed with things.

That said, and as I'm sure you know, it's as well to be sure that each component you consider is not going to be slowed down by some lesser component's throughput causing your fancy bit of hardware from bottlenecking. That's as true as it ever was when it comes to building PCs, so don't just look at components in isolation when researching things; a poor choice of motherboard can really hamstring even a decent processor and/or GPU. You can see that if you look at some of the posts from people on forums where they seem to have the latest rocket-powered bit of kit but can't understand why it isn't doing what they expected. Nine times out of ten it'll be because some other bit is causing the problem.

One of the things you will definitely want, is the best graphics processing you can reasonably afford if VR is something you're looking at. Whilst the resolution of VR is not spectacularly high for most hardware available at present, that is the area where things are being addressed and frequently improving and you can be sure it will change and and the system demands for it will expand quite rapidly. Even now with present hardware, being able to handle VR is a task which will show up the shortcomings of a merely adequate GPU as opposed to a really good one. Moreover, if P3D is one of your potential sims of choice, whilst it certainly outperforms the FSX predecessor in many ways and has pushed more of the work onto the GPU, it does still need quite lot of mainboard processing power to get decent results. That might lead you to suppose that PSUs will be right on the ragged edge but something else worth noting which has changed with GPUs in recent years, is whilst it used to be the case that fancy GPUs used up a ton of power and really necessitated a very high wattage heavy duty PSU, that's a bit less true these days - they're a lot more efficient on power - although as ever, cutting corners on the quality of PSU is never a good idea and it doesn't do any harm to have a bit of headroom on the wattage of a PSU.

Something else you should be budgeting for if VR and DCS are two things on the horizon, is a really decent flight control hardware set up, one with plenty of HOTAS capabilities, since that VR experience will definitely benefit from having plenty of controls close to hand.

 

 

Thanks so much for this info, Chock. Being that VR and DCS is #1 on my wish list, I will definitely keep reading up to get myself up-to-speed while new hardware cycle approaches for both GPU and CPU. Christmas will definitely be a fun one for me and my hobby!

[Silverbird 115]

13 hours ago, BimmerCop said:

Hey everyone, after a 3 year pause, I am slowly getting back to my beloved hobby and boy have things changed! In a nutshell, I moved to Orlando, FL, got a new job and just have been settling in with hardly any time for simming. As a matter of fact, I don't even have my simming PC and peripherals anymore! Basically starting from scratch again and I am completely lost! Even my website, livedispatch.org closed down.

With that being said, I have a ton of catching up to do and I am seriously thinking about going the VR route with DCS and P3D.

I have started doing research on a new PC build but with new CPUs and GPUs coming out in the next few weeks and Black Friday / Cyber Monday around the corner, I think it would be best for me to wait a couple more months before I commit into purchasing hardware.

Any suggestions on what should I get for my new simming PC? Remember, I want to focus on VR usage along with DCS/P3D and perhaps X-plane as well.

Looking forward to your suggestions and boy it's great to be back!

 

PS: Here is what I currently have saved on my Amazon shopping list. How does this look so far?

https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/3CP4MES8AYVV1

 

Efrain Ruiz (BimmerCop)

Haha welcome back Efrain its been how many years from tjsj scenery and air puerto rico I will highly consider the Samsung Odyssey  if its at the $400 price point, right no its not on sale yet should be with Christmas holidays coming  same resolution   as the htc vive pro for less. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Odyssey-Wireless-Controllers-XE800ZAA-HC1US/dp/B078K2S122 would definitely wait for the intel 9900k to come out and the 2080 ti so you can have the latest hardware.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2018 by Silverbird

[Victoroos 205]

14 hours ago, dmarques69 said:

with is pornographic price

hate it when prices are too sexy 😉

[BimmerCop 332]

5 hours ago, Silverbird said:

Haha welcome back Efrain its been how many years from tjsj scenery and air puerto rico I will highly consider the Samsung Odyssey  if its at the $400 price point, right no its not on sale yet should be with Christmas holidays coming  same resolution   as the htc vive pro for less. https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Odyssey-Wireless-Controllers-XE800ZAA-HC1US/dp/B078K2S122 would definitely wait for the intel 9900k to come out and the 2080 ti so you can have the latest hardware.

WOW, San Juan 2000 and AirPUERTORICO!!! Great memories indeed, my friend!

Yes, I will do exactly that. Wait a few more months for all new hardware to come out and capitalize on holiday specials.

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On 9/3/2018 at 5:59 PM, pracines said:

They are not too far away from you (north of Tampa), and the systems & customer service are as good as it gets:

http://jetlinesystems.com/

At least give them a call before you make a final decision, you will be glad you did. 

Is that the company froogle shills all the time? 

A mate of mine bought a pc from the company matt Davies recommends (I forget the name) and had all sorts of problems 

[Christopher Low 5,353]

Chillblast

[fluffyflops 1,858]

7 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Chillblast

That's the one, they nerked his order up if I remember rightly and it arrived a month late, he did get some money back mind you 

[Christopher Low 5,353]

Are you going to the Cosford Flightsim Show this year, Pete? It would be nice to meet a few more AVSIM forum members.