Simicro

OrbX KSBA Santa Barbara and NA Southern California

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Hi,

I am considering to get OrbX KSBA Santa Barbara.

The advertisement says: For the best experience, FTX Southern California should be purchased and installed prior to using this airport.

I have FTX Global + LC + Vector but I don't have NA Southern California.

I would like to stress that I plan to do some local flights only within the KSBA Santa Barbara scenery flight zone.

In that conditions, is there an interest to buy NA Southern California?

 

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I would buy KSBA first and try it before buying Socal, NA SoCal is pretty heavy on frames, and if you have LC installed it should look fine.

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Can anyone Confirm from their own experience that KSBA does work without NA SoCal? I would like to eventually purchase this airport but Orbx notes that SoCal region is required. I too have Global & LC.

Thanks

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Thanks Martin.

raymie, I did not see "Required" on their webpage but "For the best experience ". But let's wait for a confirmation.

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I have KSBA from ORBX and it works just fine without SoCal region. I find that just having FTX Global and NA Land class is all you need. I found the SoCal region very problematic and full of pauses and it tends to hog memory. My So Cal area works so much better without it. I have all the other ORBX So Cal sceneries and they all work fine without the region as well.

Lee

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4 minutes ago, Midnight Music said:

My So Cal area works so much better without it.

"it" = So Cal Region by OrbX?

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4 minutes ago, Simicro said:

"it" = So Cal Region by OrbX?

Yes, specifically SoCal region. I mean it looks good, but it's a dog when it comes to performance.

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2 hours ago, raymie said:

Can anyone Confirm from their own experience that KSBA does work without NA SoCal? I would like to eventually purchase this airport but Orbx notes that SoCal region is required. I too have Global & LC.

Thanks

I have no problems that I know of.

Mark

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Can anyone Confirm from their own experience that KSBA does work without NA SoCal? I would like to eventually purchase this airport but Orbx notes that SoCal region is required

After checking this in FTX Central 3, I see that ORBx have still not learned that particular lesson :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Simicro said:

Hi,

I am considering to get OrbX KSBA Santa Barbara.

The advertisement says: For the best experience, FTX Southern California should be purchased and installed prior to using this airport.

I have FTX Global + LC + Vector but I don't have NA Southern California.

I would like to stress that I plan to do some local flights only within the KSBA Santa Barbara scenery flight zone.

In that conditions, is there an interest to buy NA Southern California?

 

Southern Cal comes at 50% off if you buy it with Santa Barbara as I did

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Thanks for your helpful replies--I am hesitant to purchase the SoCal region specifically for the reason of being a performance hog.

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14 minutes ago, raymie said:

Thanks for your helpful replies--I am hesitant to purchase the SoCal region specifically for the reason of being a performance hog.

Not yet tried it,so cannot comment on it, but other FTX Regions have worked okay so far.

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Purchased Santa Barbara and did a quick local fight. Quality scenery and all looks very nice even without Socal Region.

Santa Barbara is not as big as I imagined by watching the map, but still a quite large zone for local flights.

Well worth the money.

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Thanks Simicro for sharing that. I went back to the Orbx Direct website and here is what they say:

Prerequisite Products

You require at least one of the following products to use KSBA Santa Barbara Municipal Airport, and they listed NA SoCal. It's a bit confusing in light of the fact that region is not essential according to your experience and others as well.

Again, thanks for sharing your experience. I am hoping that by Christmas if Orbx has a sale, Santa Barbara will be somewhat discounted.
 

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Remove second mention of Prerequisite Products

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You are most welcome.

Here https://orbxdirect.com/product/ksba you are right.

And here https://orbxsystems.com/forum/topic/162027-ksba-santa-barbara-municipal-airport-now-available-for-fsxp3d/   they say "For the best experience, FTX Southern California should be..."

There is the Black Friday before Christmas. I read that under 1 month after release, there is no discount,  and recent products have a max of 30% discount.

 

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As this is a fairly newly-released airport, very much doubt it will be available in Black Friday 50% Sales Offers, but I could be wrong. In the past they have not listed newly-released stuff.

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1 hour ago, raymie said:

Thanks Simicro for sharing that. I went back to the Orbx Direct website and here is what they say:

Prerequisite Products

You require at least one of the following products to use KSBA Santa Barbara Municipal Airport, and they listed NA SoCal. It's a bit confusing in light of the fact that region is not essential according to your experience and others as well. 

Again, thanks for sharing your experience. I am hoping that by Christmas if Orbx has a sale, Santa Barbara will be somewhat discounted.
 

Frooglesim has recently posted a good video helping to explain some of the confusion surrounding what is and isn't required for Orbx airports, informative video and worth a view.

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I have had major issues with Orbx SoCal scenery as it is not compatible with FSDT KLAX or FSDT KLAS unless you do some major modifications.  Because of that I simply have not reinstalled it on my new build as it is a chore to make the airports and the surrounding areas compatible elevation wise.  They know it is not fully compatible with many popular add-on sceneries and have detailed instructions on making the scenery compatible.  I would be more interested in this scenery if they would change their installers to work better with incompatible scenery.  For instance, they could have an option in the installer or interface asking something like FSDT KLAX and or KLAS installed?  If you indicate they are installed, the installer would automatically go in and turn certain bgl's off in the Orbx directories (there are several files and folders you have to change for each add-on scenery).  They could then go into Scenery/World/Scenery and switch the appropriate elevation bgl's off.  Orbx SoCal is a pretty old scenery and has never been updated except for maybe the Libraries for the scenery.  I wish developers like Orbx would make it easier for their customers who have to install and reinstall this scenery instead of one having to go into the Orbx Forums and go through several forums to find the solutions to make SoCal compatible. They have known for several years SoCal causes many anomalies with FSDT KLAX/KLAS.

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 Getting those FSDT sceneries to work in FTX SoCal is pretty simple though and only takes a couple minutes. It's only mildly more complex than the dozens of other add-on airports that i have within all of the other FTX regions.

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Socal is rough on my machine.  I put most scenery sliders to normal or below medium when I fly.  It's not so bad once you get away from LA though

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4 hours ago, MartinRex007 said:

Frooglesim has recently posted a good video helping to explain some of the confusion surrounding what is and isn't required for Orbx airports, informative video and worth a view.

Thanks! I will take a look at his video to understand this topic better.

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From the developer of Santa Barbara in the Orbx forums:

"It doesn't actually work perfectly, if you look in certain areas there are anomalies. However, if these don't bother you, then of course it's possible to use KSBA without SCA.

We list SCA as a requirement because it's needed to see the scenery exactly as designed without any of those anomalies. If we didn't then we'd get a lot of support requests from people who might actually be bothered by them.

I can't speak for other airports in the area, how many problems an airport has without its corresponding region greatly depends on the particular product. It might have minor ones like KSBA, or might be much more major. All we can guarantee is that the airports will only work without any problems whatsoever if you have the corresponding region, since we don't test airports without the region."

 

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Thanks for sharing the developer's comments. That;s helpful information regarding my decision to purchase KSBA and possibly what to expect without having the region installed. At least there will be no surprises if one sees any "anomalies".

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2 screenshots made by a french colleague. If I am not miskaten, the 1st one is without SoCal and the 2nd with SoCal.

socalno.jpg

socalyes.jpg

 

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