signmanbob

I Give Up! I Can't Start this Falcon 50

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I've read the manual and followed the instructions, but I can't get this started at all.  

I cutoff my throttles, turn on the batteries and Gen switches, turn on the CMP switches select "Ready To Start" and hold down the red button for 2 seconds.........nothing....but.....silence.

Can someone help me with this?

 

Thank you,

Bob

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26 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

I cutoff my throttles

To start? Really?

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It says to be sure that your throttles are cut off before starting, then push the red button for two seconds and wait for 20% N2 and cut the throttle on. I can't get the engines to spin up at all.  

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I bet you killed the battery and saved the flight. Make sure you have the GPU or APU running or reload the aircraf. And press ready to start before you do all those steps. Most will be setup.

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35 minutes ago, Flysimware said:

I bet you killed the battery and saved the flight. Make sure you have the GPU or APU running or reload the aircraf. And press ready to start before you do all those steps. Most will be setup.

Thanks.  My battery is not dead and I haven't saved a flight at all.  I cannot get the GPU to work at all either.   When I click on it I see a green check mark, but it goes away.

I have been clicking on "Ready to Start" and I see the switches set themselves, but it still doesn't start when I push the red buttons and hold them for two seconds.

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Just now, signmanbob said:

Thanks.  My battery is not dead and I haven't saved a flight at all.  I cannot get the GPU to work at all either.   When I click on it I see a green check mark, but it goes away.

I have been clicking on "Ready to Start" and I see the switches set themselves, but it still doesn't start when I push the red buttons and hold them for two seconds.

Ok seems your battery is not dead. For GPU you must turn off all generators and select EXT POWER above the starters. Now shift + 2 click the GPU.

For the engine start click "ready to start" right click the tab below the throttles. Then click the starter button and wait for N2. This works every time for me. The left click the throttle tab again for the engine to spool up beyond N2 20%.

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Ok seems your battery is not dead. For GPU you must turn off all generators and select EXT POWER above the starters. Now shift + 2 click the GPU.

14 minutes ago, Flysimware said:

Ok seems your battery is not dead. For GPU you must turn off all generators and select EXT POWER above the starters. Now shift + 2 click the GPU.

For the engine start click "ready to start" right click the tab below the throttles. Then click the starter button and wait for N2. This works every time for me. The left click the throttle tab again for the engine to spool up beyond N2 20%.

That worked!  The engines are started. Thank you. I could have sworn that I had been doing just that. 

I still didn't get the GPU to connect, but I'll worry  about that later.

I appreciate your help.

 

Thank  you,

Bob

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Yup, the engine starting is ropey as anything on mine too, half the time it doesn't work at all. I've given up with trying to do it properly and resorted to hitting Control+E. Which, actually does work ironically, but it's not really ideal to be doing that. Those engine control switches on the overhead could do with tool tips as well incidentally, it's not at all obvious which way some of them should be flipped to be selected as 'on'.

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2 minutes ago, Chock said:

Yup, the engine starting is ropey as anything on mine too, half the time it doesn't work at all. I've given up with trying to do it properly and resorted to hitting Control+E. Which, actually does work ironically, but it's not really ideal to be doing that. Those engine control switches on the overhead could do with tool tips as well incidentally, it's not at all obvious which way some of them should be flipped to be selected as 'on'.

I had tried Ctrl+E and couldn't get it to work. The only way you can tell which way the switches supposed to go is by selecting "Ready to Start".  Then they'll flip the right way.

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7 minutes ago, Chock said:

Yup, the engine starting is ropey as anything on mine too, half the time it doesn't work at all. I've given up with trying to do it properly and resorted to hitting Control+E. Which, actually does work ironically, but it's not really ideal to be doing that. Those engine control switches on the overhead could do with tool tips as well incidentally, it's not at all obvious which way some of them should be flipped to be selected as 'on'.

Computers do not work like that and decide i will work half the time. It works every time. Also CTRL + E does not work.

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14 minutes ago, Flysimware said:

Computers do not work like that and decide i will work half the time. It works every time. Also CTRL + E does not work.

Try telling that to HAL 9000 lol, and oh yes it does, that is how I started the engines. 😊

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This Falcon 50 is a lot of fun to fly.  I have a lot to learn, but it is quite different and really lots of fun.  I'm going to really love this aircraft.  I hope the engines keep starting for me too now. I'm afraid to shut it off.

That trim has an unusual sound.  I heard that pop, pop, pop and thought something was breaking.

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18 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

This Falcon 50 is a lot of fun to fly.  I have a lot to learn, but it is quite different and really lots of fun.  I'm going to really love this aircraft.  I hope the engines keep starting for me too now. I'm afraid to shut it off.

That trim has an unusual sound.  I heard that pop, pop, pop and thought something was breaking.

Yup, in spite of some engine traumas (it is a beta after all), I think it's great too. Not that I expected anything less from this developer, based on all the other stuff of theirs I've bought, notably their Lear and C441 which are certainly among my favourites, but also a lot of their other ones too which I also have. It's that consistent good quality which made me decide, right when I first heard they were making it, that their Falcon 50 would be an 'instant buy' for me.

And it means I can set fire to my Wilco Dassault now although it probably would even burn at 4 frames per second 🤣

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I agree Alan.  I also have just about everything that Flysimware makes and there all great, but my favorite has been the Lear and now this Falcon.  This thing is pretty wild. 😅

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17 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

That trim has an unusual sound.  I heard that pop, pop, pop and thought something was breaking.

That was the copilot making popcorn in the microwave!

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1 minute ago, Flysimware said:

That was the copilot making popcorn in the microwave!

Is the trim supposed to make that popping sound? That's pretty strange. Sounds like it's coming apart.

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29 minutes ago, signmanbob said:

Is the trim supposed to make that popping sound?

 

Sure is!  Listen to this actual Falcon 50 takeoff starting at about the 5:30 minute point.

Al

 

 

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6 hours ago, signmanbob said:

Is the trim supposed to make that popping sound? That's pretty strange. Sounds like it's coming apart.

The trim in motion sound is generated electronically by the same audio system that generates other warning and advisory sounds like overspeed and altitude alert. All Falcon 50 and 900 models use that sound for horizontal stabilizer motion. I’m not sure if later models like the 7X do...

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Wow!  I'm going to have to get used to that.  Someone on the video must have asked about it too.  I heard the captain say "That's the trim".

You'd think they could have made a more pleasant / friendly sound for that.  Like a chime....ding, ding, ding.

I think the MD80 bull-horn trim sound is friendlier 😊  

How are you supposed to know if your cockpit is coming apart? "Oh, don't worry.  That's just the trim.."

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1 hour ago, signmanbob said:

Wow!  I'm going to have to get used to that.  Someone on the video must have asked about it too.  I heard the captain say "That's the trim".

You'd think they could have made a more pleasant / friendly sound for that.  Like a chime....ding, ding, ding.

I think the MD80 bull-horn trim sound is friendlier 😊  

How are you supposed to know if your cockpit is coming apart? "Oh, don't worry.  That's just the trim.."

It’s not quite as loud in the aircraft as it appears to be in the sim - especially when the aircraft is in flight with engine and air noise in the mix. You hear it most during initial climb when the pilot is hand-flying, and making constant minor trim changes as the aircraft accelerates through the flap retraction phase. Once stable in climb, and with the autopilot in control, it doesn’t sound all that often. Maybe a few pops when capturing cruise altitude.

Also, the stabilizer moves at a constant speed in the real aircraft, so the individual clicks always come at a constant rate. The trim in the simulator appears to move faster the longer it is applied, so the repetition rate of the pops speeds up and slows down.

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Dassault is somewhat inconsistent in the quality of other digitized audio alerts. I currently maintain several 900EX models, which have exactly the same trim clacker, overspeed warning and altitude alert as the 50.

On the 900, if you advance power levers to takeoff position with no slats or flaps deployed, you hear a crisp and clear female voice with an American accent saying “No Takeoff”.

When you do the stall test, you hear a male voice with a heavy French accent saying “Stall Stall”, except it sounds more like “Stool Stool”.

The funniest one is the autoslat warning. A different male French accented voice. He’s supposed to be saying “autoslat” but it sounds a lot more like the words represented by the initials “W.T.F.”!😁

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2 hours ago, signmanbob said:

Wow!  I'm going to have to get used to that.  Someone on the video must have asked about it too.  I heard the captain say "That's the trim".

You'd think they could have made a more pleasant / friendly sound for that.  Like a chime....ding, ding, ding.

I think the MD80 bull-horn trim sound is friendlier 😊  

How are you supposed to know if your cockpit is coming apart? "Oh, don't worry.  That's just the trim.."

If you go to the Aircraft Options popup (Shift+2) there is a 'Volume Control' for the trim sound so you can turn it down if it is driving you crazy. The new setting will not be retained between sim sessions, however.

Al

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6 hours ago, ark said:

If you go to the Aircraft Options popup (Shift+2) there is a 'Volume Control' for the trim sound so you can turn it down if it is driving you crazy. The new setting will not be retained between sim sessions, however.

Al

Thank you.  I appreciate that info.

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7 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Dassault is somewhat inconsistent in the quality of other digitized audio alerts. I currently maintain several 900EX models, which have exactly the same trim clacker, overspeed warning and altitude alert as the 50.

On the 900, if you advance power levers to takeoff position with no slats or flaps deployed, you hear a crisp and clear female voice with an American accent saying “No Takeoff”.

When you do the stall test, you hear a male voice with a heavy French accent saying “Stall Stall”, except it sounds more like “Stool Stool”.

The funniest one is the autoslat warning. A different male French accented voice. He’s supposed to be saying “autoslat” but it sounds a lot more like the words represented by the initials “W.T.F.”!😁

Now that's funny.  Anyone flying with me would be saying that all the time. 😊

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9 hours ago, signmanbob said:

Now that's funny.  Anyone flying with me would be saying that all the time. 😊

The funniest part is that when running the aircraft on ground power, that alert often triggers when switching the external power switch off. Everything goes dark, and the last thing you hear is that exclamation coming from the cockpit speaker...

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