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My experience with Ryzen 2700x & P3d v4.4

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I am using an AMD Ryzen 2700x. Along with a 1080ti 16 gig of 3000mhz ram and p3d on a 512mb NVME drive. 2560 x 1080 Ultrawide Monitor.

AMD calls their version of hyper threading, SMT Simultaneous multi-threading.  

When I 1st ran my system, the SMT was turned on by default. Frustrated after a week of tweaking I gave up, and figured I will wait for P3d V5 to arrive.

Somewhere, somehow something clicked and I deceived to switch it off.

A good example would be flying Flight 1’s Superking air B200 (for those who don’t know, this aircraft has a reputation of turning P3d into a slideshow when the Garmin G1000 gets turned on)  around ORBX San Diego with Active Sky & active sky cloud art. Eventex and Evenshade medium levels.

With SMT turned on I was getting 25fps max, but the frame rates were all over the place.

I even looked at overclocking but the heat was forcing my IAO water cooler to scream at full speed. I Live in South Africa so 35 to 40 degrees Celsius ambient temperature is normal in summer.)

Meanwhile my 1080ti is siting their twiddling its thumbs, waiting for something to do.

 

SMT Turned of, 30 to 40 fps constant. Still finding the balance but I have almost maxed all settings. I have yet to see a stutter and the CPU is running 20deg colder. Loading times changed from 12 to 13 minutes to 2 to 3 minutes.

 

Just thought I would share my experience with anybody in the same situation.

Or even someone frightened by Intel’s recent prices. The 2700x works for me, it might for you as well.

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AMD CPU's and Radeon GPU's have never been contenders when it comes to FSX/P3D but I am sure all flight simmers would love to see a cat among the pigeons.

At some point we will need someone with deep pockets and the know how to build two rigs. One using the most powerful AMD CPU and Radeon GPU on the other withe most powerful Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU, then carry out an extensive apples to apples to apples comparison for P3D and XP11.

We'd need to know 2 things. The performance outright winner and the cost per frame.

If someone did that comparison today I'd shocked if AMD/Radeon was the performance outright winner but I guess they would be the cost per frame winner.

I love to see AMD/Radeon become the performance outright winner too.

If that happened it would take long before we would see 6 perhaps 7ghz processors.

Things only get better when there is competition.

I suspect those 6 or 7ghz processors already are and have been purring away in Intel's RND labs for sometime. But we aren't getting our hands on them until some else forces Intel to show their hand. 😁

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3 hours ago, Avidean said:

At some point we will need someone with deep pockets and the know how to build two rigs. One using the most powerful AMD CPU and Radeon GPU on the other withe most powerful Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU, then carry out an extensive apples to apples to apples comparison for P3D and XP11.

That's not particularly interesting to me, since almost no one buys the top of the line systems for flight simulation. What's far more interesting is putting something together at the $250, $400 and $600 budgets for CPU/mobo/RAM and seeing who wins at each of those price points. I have no doubt that at the very top end Intel will likely win but not everyone has the ability to purchase at that level.

3 hours ago, Avidean said:

I suspect those 6 or 7ghz processors already are and have been purring away in Intel's RND labs for sometime. But we aren't getting our hands on them until some else forces Intel to show their hand. 😁

Unlikely. There is an insatiable demand for more CPU power but taking advantage of it has shifted away from fast single-core to wide multi-core. The world's moved on - they care about core count and power consumption, not single-core frequency or (less so) IPC.

Cheers!

 

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3 hours ago, Avidean said:

I suspect those 6 or 7ghz processors already are and have been purring away in Intel's RND labs for sometime. But we aren't getting our hands on them until some else forces Intel to show their hand

Until one desnt need a liquid Nitrogen system or other exotic systems to super cool them. The problem is HEAT.

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I have a Ryzen system... 1600x with a GeForce 1080, 16 gigs, Acer Predator 2560 x 1400 monitor. P3D is installed on on Samsung 500 gig SSD. I use Orbx, Evndir, PTA, Active Sky, TopoSim add ons.

I fly almost exclusively MilViz aircraft and achieve 30 - 40 FPS (avg close to 30) with my settings, which are (without getting into specifics) all dialed up towards high or max.

I was away from PC's and simming... for a very long time. Wanted an affordable platform and believed a lot of what I read about Ryzen although Intel does indeed dominate flight sim builds. I am very happy and will replace the 1600x with whatever comes out next that will work with my B350 motherboard.

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I gave Ryzen a try, new build, I have a ton of add-ons, So far, it's the best performance I've had after 20yrs of this great hobby! Also, this motherboard will accept the Ryzen Thread Ripper CPU. Just waiting for the price to come down!!

Mike 

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12 hours ago, Luke said:

That's not particularly interesting to me, since almost no one buys the top of the line systems for flight simulation. What's far more interesting is putting something together at the $250, $400 and $600 budgets for CPU/mobo/RAM and seeing who wins at each of those price points. I have no doubt that at the very top end Intel will likely win but not everyone has the ability to purchase at that level.

A good example would be the 2700x vs the I5 7400 witch in my country once you include motherboard price etc. works out the same where I am from. The 2700x is 20 percent faster in single core operations. Even something as simple as "specials" and region specific pricing can turn everything upside down.

 

13 hours ago, Luke said:

Unlikely. There is an insatiable demand for more CPU power but taking advantage of it has shifted away from fast single-core to wide multi-core. The world's moved on - they care about core count and power consumption, not single-core frequency or (less so) IPC.

Cheers!

I think in a big part the heat and transistor issue has created a Megahertz barrier that is struggling to get overcome. So more cores seem to be the only solution. And I am starting to get the idea that Intel is puling out of the desktop CPU side. Witch is a bad thing no matter with team you are on. Healthy competition is what is pushing driving the technology forward.

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13 hours ago, Adrian123 said:

Until one desnt need a liquid Nitrogen system or other exotic systems to super cool them. The problem is HEAT.

I am all for "All In One" Liquid Nitrogen coolers. Haha , not gonna happen , but would be awesome.

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5 hours ago, snpower said:

I have a Ryzen system... 1600x with a GeForce 1080, 16 gigs, Acer Predator 2560 x 1400 monitor. P3D is installed on on Samsung 500 gig SSD. I use Orbx, Evndir, PTA, Active Sky, TopoSim add ons.

I fly almost exclusively MilViz aircraft and achieve 30 - 40 FPS (avg close to 30) with my settings, which are (without getting into specifics) all dialed up towards high or max.

I was away from PC's and simming... for a very long time. Wanted an affordable platform and believed a lot of what I read about Ryzen although Intel does indeed dominate flight sim builds. I am very happy and will replace the 1600x with whatever comes out next that will work with my B350 motherboard.

2700x Should work with a your board, with a bios update. Depend on the exact board. But its only a 10 percent single core performance boost. Ryzen 3 rumors are sounding great right now.

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Sony no it wont, Threadriper uses a completely different chip-set. Threadriper uses TH4 and Ryzen uses AM4. But not to wory, Ryzen 3 series CPU rumors are looking great right now, and that upgrade should work with a BIOS update.

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9 hours ago, simaddict said:

I gave Ryzen a try, new build, I have a ton of add-ons, So far, it's the best performance I've had after 20yrs of this great hobby! Also, this motherboard will accept the Ryzen Thread Ripper CPU. Just waiting for the price to come down!!

Mike 

Sony no it wont, Threadriper uses a completely different chip-set. Threadriper uses TH4 and Ryzen uses AM4. But not to wory, Ryzen 3000 series CPU rumors are looking great right now, and that upgrade should work with a BIOS update

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Does the 2700x overclocked work well with PMDG + Add-on traffic? I am considering taking the 2700x over the 8700k due to availability issues in my area. I am thinking of pairing the CPU with an RX 580 (1060 equivalent)

 

The 2700x seems quite promising based on your experience - very different from previous AMD cpu generations.

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Unfortunately I don't use PMDG aircraft. But the Flight 1 King air I use, is heavy on the CPU. Switching on the Garmin G1000 in the thing will take you 15 to 20 frames down. From what I have read, PMDG aircraft seem to hit the CPU just as heard as the Flight 1 King air.

I don't use ad on traffic anymore because I don't fly the Tube liners. So I am no help their either. But I do know they put load on the CPU.

That being said the 8700k is about 10 percent faster in single threaded work loads. That makes it very tricky decision. The 9600k appears to perform the same at a much higher price. With the price difference between Ryzen 2700x & 8700k , you can maybe justify buying a 240 or eva a  360mm AIO cooler and letting Ryzen over clock itself. Given enough cooling they will over-clock themselves between 4 & 4.2 GHz.  Just remember to switch of SMT & play with affinity mask.

I don't know much about the RX580 but reviews say it performs the same. And you have the extra 2gigs of VRam. More Vram is always welcome in P3d.

Good luck and let us know how your PC runs.

 

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On 1/7/2019 at 9:15 AM, Nagmaal said:

I am using an AMD Ryzen 2700x. Along with a 1080ti 16 gig of 3000mhz ram and p3d on a 512mb NVME drive. 2560 x 1080 Ultrawide Monitor.

AMD calls their version of hyper threading, SMT Simultaneous multi-threading.  

When I 1st ran my system, the SMT was turned on by default. Frustrated after a week of tweaking I gave up, and figured I will wait for P3d V5 to arrive.

Somewhere, somehow something clicked and I deceived to switch it off.

A good example would be flying Flight 1’s Superking air B200 (for those who don’t know, this aircraft has a reputation of turning P3d into a slideshow when the Garmin G1000 gets turned on)  around ORBX San Diego with Active Sky & active sky cloud art. Eventex and Evenshade medium levels.

With SMT turned on I was getting 25fps max, but the frame rates were all over the place.

I even looked at overclocking but the heat was forcing my IAO water cooler to scream at full speed. I Live in South Africa so 35 to 40 degrees Celsius ambient temperature is normal in summer.)

Meanwhile my 1080ti is siting their twiddling its thumbs, waiting for something to do.

 

SMT Turned of, 30 to 40 fps constant. Still finding the balance but I have almost maxed all settings. I have yet to see a stutter and the CPU is running 20deg colder. Loading times changed from 12 to 13 minutes to 2 to 3 minutes.

 

Just thought I would share my experience with anybody in the same situation.

Or even someone frightened by Intel’s recent prices. The 2700x works for me, it might for you as well.

Hi there,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I have a 1080ti and I'm really considering going with Ryzen, but it is being difficult to go through forums and see people only considering Intel.

I plan on using both XP11 and P3D and a few ORBX sceneries. I'm not FPS crazy person, I just want smooth flying. The sim PC will be mostly dedicated to the simulator + an extra screen for a touch GTN 750 panel. I have a proper cockpit built, but gauges are run in 3 raspberry, so the gauges loading is shared on these 3.

I was waiting for the new releases so prices will drop a bit and I can consider the 2700x.

Since the post was in January, would you comment any findings you had since then?

Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Filipe

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On 6/17/2019 at 3:18 PM, flbessa said:

Hi there,

Thanks for sharing your experience. I have a 1080ti and I'm really considering going with Ryzen, but it is being difficult to go through forums and see people only considering Intel.

I plan on using both XP11 and P3D and a few ORBX sceneries. I'm not FPS crazy person, I just want smooth flying. The sim PC will be mostly dedicated to the simulator + an extra screen for a touch GTN 750 panel. I have a proper cockpit built, but gauges are run in 3 raspberry, so the gauges loading is shared on these 3.

I was waiting for the new releases so prices will drop a bit and I can consider the 2700x.

Since the post was in January, would you comment any findings you had since then?

Thanks again.

Best Regards,

Filipe

Still enjoying the 2700x very much. I fly the Flight 1 King air and it is more performance hungry then even the A2A OR PMDG aircraft. I rarely see frame rates below 25fps, if ever. And this even includes the scenery I am developing myself. 

If I was you I would consider the the new Ryzen CPU's if their in your budget. If Rumors are true they are going to be beasts. 

For a long time Intel was the only good option, but AMD is taking the lead with CPU development & things are changing fast, & Intel CPU's are getting harder to justify for flight simming. 

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I realize this thread is a bit dated but it touches on something I am dealing with right now.  I have a PC pretty much dedicated to flying a PMDG 737 with P3D v4.5. Also running ASN and Pilot2ATC. Intel core i5-7500 3.40GHz, 16GB DDR4-2133 RAM, 1TB HDD + 250GB SSD.  Windows 10 64-bit.  3 monitors, primary is 1440p connected with DP, 2nd is 1080 with HDMI and 3rd is 1080 DVI.  But I can easily get by with two.  I upgraded from a GTX 1060 6GB to an RTX 2060 6GB and really expected to be able to increase air and ground traffic, scenery density, etc.  When I changed everything to either high or ultra my fps was in the teens.  So now I'm back to basically medium to high settings across the board and it's running fine. GC upgrade works quite nicely with my new 1440p monitor but the RTX without any other upgrades proved to be a disappointment.  I am learning now the CPU is the bottleneck preventing better performance.  For me that means a new motherboard and improved cooling also.  Much research being done.  I'm not great with computers and talk of overclocking, BIAS, and voltage changes leave me in the dust.  AMD processors are looking appealing to me, a new gen is due in a couple weeks.  But even the 2700X I'm told would be a nice improvement.  I like the idea of "one-click" overclocking.     

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On 1/7/2019 at 6:54 AM, Guest said:

I suspect those 6 or 7ghz processors already are and have been purring away in Intel's RND labs for sometime.

You and I wish.  Near as I can tell w/o *special* cooling a wall has largely been hit for quite some time now w/ regard to clock speed.  Even my 6 y/o SB-E chip does 4.42Ghz on all 6 cores--all we've seen in terms of increases in all-core clock speed is a measly half a gHz in 6y now w/ I9-9900K(S).  This is why we clamor for better multi-core utilization for flight simulations because there is very little upside thru higher clock speeds without a change in design and that one presumes will need to be an out of the box approach that hasn't yet been conceived of.  

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On 6/23/2019 at 12:09 AM, BobKinSTL said:

 I am learning now the CPU is the bottleneck preventing better performance.  For me that means a new motherboard and improved cooling also.  Much research being done.  I'm not great with computers and talk of overclocking, BIAS, and voltage changes leave me in the dust.  AMD processors are looking appealing to me, a new gen is due in a couple weeks.  But even the 2700X I'm told would be a nice improvement.  I like the idea of "one-click" overclocking.     

I would honestly get the new 3 Ryzen CPU's. They are Cpu's that beat the best Intel CPU at half the price in single core performance.

With AMD its not that hard to spec right. AM4+ works right across the board. But I would go with a new Board that has a X570 based. Something premium with good power delivery. 2x8gig of DDR 3000 ram minimum. A good cooler. 

Admittedly, md's one click overcloclking application (Rysen Master) is not one click. Its 3 clicks, wait a couple of minutes , restart, done. 😉 .

Looking at recent rumors , Intel was not expecting this , and a combination of fabrication problems and lack of innovation is costing them dearly. AMD is king right know, but i hope this stays competition. Competition breeds excellence and we the consumer become the winners.

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On 6/28/2019 at 8:34 AM, Nagmaal said:

. They are Cpu's that beat the best Intel CPU at half the price in single core performance.

 

Think you out in the blue, no evidence at all they only bashing out the multitread results (" hint 5.4 ghz CB15 at 5.4-5.5ghz 1.77v on LN2 " ) a good 9900k 9700k do that with AIO cooling.

a 2700 do 5ghz single with -90C score 206 in CB15 9900k at 5.0ghz score 215-220.

i run one 1800X at 4.0 3600mhz c16 tested a 2700X was to little gain , shall test the Ryzen 3000 and compare them in P3D, 

It a lot rumors from suspect sites and youtubers , best to wait and see

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On 6/21/2019 at 4:01 AM, Nagmaal said:

Still enjoying the 2700x very much. I fly the Flight 1 King air and it is more performance hungry then even the A2A OR PMDG aircraft. I rarely see frame rates below 25fps, if ever. And this even includes the scenery I am developing myself. 

If I was you I would consider the the new Ryzen CPU's if their in your budget. If Rumors are true they are going to be beasts. 

For a long time Intel was the only good option, but AMD is taking the lead with CPU development & things are changing fast, & Intel CPU's are getting harder to justify for flight simming. 

Thanks for your reply.

Would you mind sharing your P3D settings? I've got the Ryzen 5 2600x and now I'm at the moment to tune my settings for best fps possible with new scenarios, etc. I'm not crazy about fps though, I just want the sim to run smooth all times.. =)

I'm glad to hear you are still enjoying your Ryzen setup. I could've waited for the 3x new versions, as you suggested, but it will take time to get to Brazil and I needed a sim pc to put my home cockpit on, but nothing holds me to upgrade it afterwards.. =)

Cheers,

Filipe

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On 6/30/2019 at 1:34 PM, flbessa said:

Thanks for your reply.

Would you mind sharing your P3D settings? I've got the Ryzen 5 2600x and now I'm at the moment to tune my settings for best fps possible with new scenarios, etc. I'm not crazy about fps though, I just want the sim to run smooth all times.. 😃

I'm glad to hear you are still enjoying your Ryzen setup. I could've waited for the 3x new versions, as you suggested, but it will take time to get to Brazil and I needed a sim pc to put my home cockpit on, but nothing holds me to upgrade it afterwards.. 😃

Cheers,

Filipe

I will PM  you some Screenshots of my P3d as well as my Ryzen Master Setings tonight.  

Please remember to use my settings as a starting point, because depending on your add ons results may vary. Fine tuning can take some time. 

P.s. What motherboard are you using?

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nda lifted, the one i tested was a poor overclocker, stick with the 9900k for the sim.

not much gain 4,4ghz 1,45v and have hard to hit +5.0ghz even with ln2 

but its up to you if you want to uppgrade , it was a cracy hype the 5ghz rumor thing

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Where is your P3D test/comparison that you mentioned above?

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