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The DX10 render looks unbelievably real. Simply amazing.

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Guest tcable

Like I sad, I cannot vouch, and I agree. The water *could* be a chop, but the art is is pretty good. Note the reflections on the water. They're consistient with the scene.Hornit (Jim Campisi from Simhq, and posts here) has indicated that they were shown DX10 render shots and that they looked great. I wonder if they are still running the DX10 renderer in emulation right now. I don't know if the hardware is useable for somehting like this at all just yet.

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The may be a merge of a transparent picture layer on top of the original FSX picture, or it could be DX10. I'm personally skeptical until a confirmation though. We'll find out in due time what the potential of DX10 is.Ian.

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I say the second one's an edit. Two reasons:1) The reflection of the mountain on the right side is exactly the same in both images, which is practically impossible in a "snapshot pair" like these two. The likelyhood of taking two photos of a scene with dynamic wave shaders and ending up with exactly the same reflections in both is.. well, low.2) People like to prove other people wrong; it's in our nature. Hence, if someone CAN prove me wrong the Aces team have pulled a rabbit out of their hat and done something that hasn't seen in any game before now and we'll get pretty waves. But I doubt it ;)EDIT:Mind you, the waves we HAVE seen and KNOW to be the real deal are pretty in their own right. But I'm sure anyone would agree that waves like the ones in the second shot here have not been seen in real-time rendered games thus far.

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Guest tcable

It could be the rendering used as well (a trick) with a shader layer. We'll find out soon enough. I just wish I knew the actual source of that screenshot.

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Guest Thad

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the changes to the clouds/sky in the supposed DX9 vs DX10 rendering. Its

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Guest JSPuonti

Err.. slashed2 posted at 8:28PM saying the second one looks like an edit. That's barely 5 minutes after the initial post.If you want to troll, at the very least get your line right :D

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Second's definitely an edit.First, in water that choppy you wouldn't see the reflection.Second, there's foam showing on the water in the bottom left of the image. Unlikely that would be modeled.[edit] If that's a real FSX shot... then there's something wrong with the reflection... the swell of the water is facing the 'camera'... and thus shouldn't show a reflection of the mountain 'behind' it.

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Guest nem

>Err.. slashed2 posted at 8:28PM saying the second one looks>like an edit. That's barely 5 minutes after the initial post.Saying "this could be an edit" isn't much of a conspiracy theory in my book.>If you want to troll, at the very least get your line right>:DDitto. :)Regards,http://www.bremmekamp.com/img/misc/avsim.jpg

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Excellent, then we agree on two things:1) If you want to troll, do it well2) An opinion does not equal a conspiracy theory...in which case your original eye-rolling post has no basis, as I was simply stating an opinion as slashed2 did ;)Have a nice day Jens!

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>Excellent, then we agree on two things:(...)>2) An opinion does not equal a conspiracy theoryThat's neither what I said, nor does it make an ounce of sense. Of course an opinion can be a conspiracy theory as well. Doesn't have to be though. Careful with those simplifications.>Have a nice day Jens!You too. :)Regards,http://www.bremmekamp.com/img/misc/avsim.jpg

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isn`t strange that memebers from ms team like Mike and Jason didn`t post anything in this subject???? :)brds

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If thats DX10 on the second pic,,,just another reason to wait to upgrade the computer when DX hardware/Vista come available.Eric

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Guest JeanLuc_

Why wait? buy FSX when it hits the stores, fly with it, enjoy it! when Vista/DX10 hits the stores, reinstall FSX on the computer!Hope this helps!

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Guest JoJoDawg

Holy carp then they are real.Now all Tdragger needs to do is come to this thread and confirm it here. :(

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Guest tcable

Well he DID confirm it on simflight. He's also stated that these images were used to illustrate teh differences between DX9 and 10. Not the actual DX10 pre alpha product. I'd imagine that if that is a DX10 screen, it's running below 1FPS in emulation. IT might also be a 'tech demo' type of shot. Somehtign they CAN do, but it will not be practical to do with any real level of performance.

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Guest pixelpoke_from_MSFT

>isn`t strange that memebers from ms team like Mike and Jason>didn`t post anything in this subject???? :)>>brdsDon't read anything into whether we answer questions or not.I'd also tell everybody not to get too worked up about these images. Until we (MSFT/ACES) release screenshots/movies that are explicitly tagged as being "DX10," anything you see illustrating the potential differences between DX9 and DX10 should be treated as exactly that: an illustration.At the end of the day, the happy news should be that what is shipping this holiday season will run on existing hardware, and should look great. :)Cheers,Jason

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Guest tdragger

I think Jason has it covered. ;)

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Guest JSPuonti

I do have to say that Jason's explanation leaves room for interpretation. To *me* it clearly sounds like he's saying the second picture is simply a mock-up and not what is in actuality being done with DX10 code at this time, but I'm sure someone else could take it the other way around. I can see how IGN and other gaming portals would get all worked up after seeing these two images and being told "this is the difference between DX9 and DX10", though.In any case, I'll do what Jason suggested and reserve final judgement for when you guys DO release screenshots tagged explicitly as "actual DX10 code" :)

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