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We all know that the stock FSX ATC leaves a bit to be desired, but today left me more puzzled than ever. IFR flight from Quito to Bogota (another high-elevation airport!). So another light load - total guesswork as the clip for the Pilot's Eye TV Lufthansa Cargo MD-11 hop from SEQM to SKBO didn't detail the payload or fuel. Just 10 tonnes of cargo and 22 tonnes of fuel.

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ATC told me clear for ILS approach to 13L then Circle To Land 31L. I thought the weather was looking a bit dodgy, so why ask me to do that I wonder? Yes indeed! Total madness!! But hey, this is a sim and if ATC want me to play Captain Cowboy disregarding life, limb.... and boxes.. I'll try! 

Everything hanging out - loads of power and I know 31L will come into view in a second..

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This is what the tower saw once I'd got the runway in sight: Ever the consummate professional....hooligan. Who's laughing now, you crazy Columbians?? (Good job I'd made the turn before that tall office block though!!)

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I left my FO to see to the unloading and loading whilst I stormed off to visit ATC whilst pondering if some controlled substances were not as controlled as they should be.. (clandestine cross-border ATF/DEA operation required) :ph34r::laugh:

AHEM... any possibly stereotypical joking aside....(I believe that ANY air traffic controller is a highly trained professional person)  does anyone know if the stock ATC has specific airports where a circle to land instruction is given? It's not as if the wind was a factor (about 4 knots). It happened on a flight I did to Chambery in France too.

Also I know I should have just gone missed, but would I have been vectored back to the same runway despite the conditions?

Mark Robinson

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Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon)

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Posted

Before I purchased Radar Contact I used to get that a lot too.  As I remember, the ATC cops never knocked on my door when I ignored "circle to land instructions".  Especially when the wx was clear.

Posted

Yes, mountains and high-elevation (dangerous) airports surely don't mix well with default FSX ATC...many times been directed straight for the mountains...Nonetheless, glad, you nailed this landing so well...

Nice shots and clouds here...

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As a Colombian (it's Colombia, not Columbia! Grrr), I can confirm that (until some years ago) the approaches to the 31L/R runways at SKBO were basically circle-to-land. Now, if you have the default scenery, it's very probable you'll be getting this. With any add-on scenery (or even just AFCAD), you'll have more chances of getting the 13s.

Best regards,
Luis Hernández 20px-Flag_of_Colombia.svg.png20px-Flag_of_Argentina.svg.png

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Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there for airliner ops. FSX-SE also installed, mainly for VFR. Lossless Scaling in al my rigs. What a godsend...

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A not so crazy Colombian I see. Thank you for your insight Luis and I apologise for my ignorance regarding the spelling - I blame a certain famous Space Shuttle..:blush:

I have an updated El Dorado Luis Carlos Galan Sarmiento International Airport by Gabriel Marin from around 2013. It does have both 13L & R ILS and it is more up to date than FSX. I will have to visit Bogota more times to see if I get the choice of the 13s.

Mark Robinson

Part-time Ferroequinologist

Author of FLIGHT: A near-future short story (ebook available on amazon)

I made the baby cry - A2A Simulations L-049 Constellation

Sky Simulations MD-11 V2.2 Pilot. The best "lite" MD-11 money can buy (well, it's not freeware!)

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