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Yes 'kinda' interesting as you say. Thing I found funny or contradictory was how adamant he was in saying that one does not 'play' the simulator but 'fly' it, and then goes on to use the word 'game' repeatedly throughout the review.Well just to clarify things we play games and we fly simulators, even cheap ones...the age old debate :-)Bill

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>Yes 'kinda' interesting as you say. Thing I found funny or>contradictory was how adamant he was in saying that one does>not 'play' the simulator but 'fly' it, and then goes on to use>the word 'game' repeatedly throughout the review.>>Well just to clarify things we play games and we fly>simulators, even cheap ones...the age old debate :-)>>BillFlight Simulators, just like a lot of various entertainment software packages, are essentially role playing games.Prove me wrong. ;)

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I have to agree with ya on that one, it is a game like it or not.

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>I have to agree with ya on that one, it is a game like it or>not.It is NOT a game !!It is reality that is trying hard to mimic FS9, THAT IS THE TRUTHall

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>>Yes 'kinda' interesting as you say. Thing I found funny or>>contradictory was how adamant he was in saying that one does>>not 'play' the simulator but 'fly' it, and then goes on to>use>>the word 'game' repeatedly throughout the review.>>>>Well just to clarify things we play games and we fly>>simulators, even cheap ones...the age old debate :-)>>>>Bill>>Flight Simulators, just like a lot of various entertainment>software packages, are essentially role playing games.>>Prove me wrong. ;)I would not try to prove you or anyone wrong, as I really do not care. It is the contradiction in terms in the review that I am referring to.Flight plan closed....in the game Bill

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"The best feature will likely be the one we can't even demonstrate -- the Direct X 10 graphic engine. If you look at Microsoft's screen shots, you will see some very pretty pictures. I can make the sim look nearly like them on my machine. It's very pretty. At 2 frames per second. DX10 will, supposedly, make scenes like this possible at playable frame rates."The above statement says it all. "My guess is that the computer that can max out the graphics options hasn't even been built yet, and it won't be until 2008 when the engine runs out of tasks to throw at a hot new PC."The term 'Buyer beware' comes to mind (as long as the purchaser knows slideshows are a possibility and the sim may look worse than what they currently have with FS2004)... :-roll

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>>>Yes 'kinda' interesting as you say. Thing I found funny or>>>contradictory was how adamant he was in saying that one>does>>>not 'play' the simulator but 'fly' it, and then goes on to>>use>>>the word 'game' repeatedly throughout the review.>>>>>>Well just to clarify things we play games and we fly>>>simulators, even cheap ones...the age old debate :-)>>>>>>Bill>>>>Flight Simulators, just like a lot of various entertainment>>software packages, are essentially role playing games.>>>>Prove me wrong. ;)>>I would not try to prove you or anyone wrong, as I really do>not care. It is the contradiction in terms in the review that>I am referring to.>>Flight plan closed....in the game >Bill>>>I don't understand how it's a contradiction. I play a lot of games that are simulators. If you go to gamestop.com, click on PC games and look at the category list on the side, you'll see a whole category for simulators/simulations. I don't really see the terms as mutually exclusive.

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>I have to agree with ya on that one, it is a game like it or>not.So does that mean the 15 million dollar simulator I was in yesterday is just a game?

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You didn't read the reviewer's last comment in the comments section below the 'review'. He was baseing this review on a press version which was a beta. Beta3 by any chance?>"The best feature will likely be the one we can't even>demonstrate -- the Direct X 10 graphic engine. If you look at>Microsoft's screen shots, you will see some very pretty>pictures. I can make the sim look nearly like them on my>machine. It's very pretty. At 2 frames per second. DX10 will,>supposedly, make scenes like this possible at playable frame>rates.">>The above statement says it all. >>"My guess is that the computer that can max out the graphics>options hasn't even been built yet, and it won't be until 2008>when the engine runs out of tasks to throw at a hot new PC.">>The term 'Buyer beware' comes to mind (as long as the>purchaser knows slideshows are a possibility and the sim may>look worse than what they currently have with FS2004)...>:-roll

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>>I have to agree with ya on that one, it is a game like it>or>>not.>>>So does that mean the 15 million dollar simulator I was in>yesterday is just a game?Did you really die if you crashed in the Sim? (Think ala-Matrix)... If the answer is no, then yes, you just played a game... A VERY expensive, elaborate game meant to help teach. But a game none the less.The ONLY thing that seperates the expensive "commercial" simulators from the 'toy" PC ones is cost, level of realism and focus. As a desktop "toy" type Sim, FS is meant to be entertaining as much (or more so than) educational. The big commercial jobs are just the opposite. They shouldn't be fun. They're there to teach. (Although, I think many of us would find a few hours in a $15M simulator fun!)Just my $0.02....--2002cbr600f4i

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"You didn't read the reviewer's last comment in the comments section below the 'review'. He was baseing this review on a press version which was a beta. Beta3 by any chance?"We'll see come next month I guess. I'd be willing to bet money the release version is about the same as the version reviewed here. Let

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Nice read while some of you fight over the game or not game part, what stood out to me is the one fact that by the time we can run any Microsoft FS sim great the next version comes along. What a cycle we are in.:)

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>>>Yes 'kinda' interesting as you say. Thing I found funny or>>>contradictory was how adamant he was in saying that one>does>>>not 'play' the simulator but 'fly' it, and then goes on to>>use>>>the word 'game' repeatedly throughout the review.>>>>>>Well just to clarify things we play games and we fly>>>simulators, even cheap ones...the age old debate :-)>>>>>>Bill>>>>Flight Simulators, just like a lot of various entertainment>>software packages, are essentially role playing games.>>>>Prove me wrong. ;)>>I would not try to prove you or anyone wrong, as I really do>not care. It is the contradiction in terms in the review that>I am referring to.I meant no offense, and I understand what you're talking about. I was just poking fun at the sim vs. game debate in general. I'm willing to bet that the whole issue originally started as a demonstration of a contempt for "gamers", as if "flying" a simulator suddenly removed the odor from one's feces. The very notion, of course, is rubbish, but it's still good for a laugh. :)

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>Nice read while some of you fight over the game or not game>part, what stood out to me is the one fact that by the time we>can run any Microsoft FS sim great the next version comes>along. What a cycle we are in.:) I'm not sure its a cycle I would smile about...As much as I love FS, it disgusts me to have to buy a new computer to run one game, while everything else works just fine. Hopefully, we will be pleasantly surprised as to the performance of FSX, however, if the pathetic demo is any indication, this may just be a bout of foolhardy, misplaced optimism. But, alas, only time shall tell.

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Guest Water Mango

It's a hard job but somebody's gotta do it... :-hah

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Guest Jimbofly

But most new games require brand new hardware to run well. Just wait till Unreal Tournament 2007 is released, that'll require FAR more horsepower than FSX!!You can't have progress in visuals, features and realism without a cost in hardware.James

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Even with autogen on min and a lot of the graphics turned down, it still looks a heck of a lot better than FS9! And you'd probably get better frames.Your pessimism is annoying. I'd understand if FS2002 and FS2004 were woeful you'd be pessimistic about FSX, but otherwise why the doomsdayism?James

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Well based on how good FS8 and FS9 are, I think it's actually realistic to expect a finely polished sim.A bit of faith probably won't go astray :)James

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>...As much as I>love FS, it disgusts me to have to buy a new computer to run>one game, while everything else works just fine.Mmmmm, interesting viewpoint. I am psyching myself up for the purchase of my 6th completely new PC exclusively for MSFS. You see, I view a PC as an essential component of the Simulator. Others see a $50 buck simulator software as a game in isolation. I have been "flying" my MSFS since 1984-85 when I bought my first PC exclusively for that early version, and so I view the two components software and hardware as being inextricably interlinked if I want to participate.My brother buy's himself an expensive set of golf clubs, and then upgrades his driver or putter or whatever every so often, pays for 18 holes every so often and his annual membership to his golf club... and on and on. It's his "hobby" or "sport" and is the price of entry. I see hardware upgrades as being the same "ticket to the game" and I budget for the expenditure accordingly, especially during the transition to a new version.Cheers,Chris Porter:-outtaPerthWestern Australia

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Guest Bottle

I've done programming where I took a completely non-functional program to a perfectly functional one in one second of text editing. Bugs are often like that. The knack is knowing what's wrong. Your point is somewhat taken, it wasn't too much time for perf problems to be fixed, but if they twigged to something (like when the autogen inefficiency was fixed around the time of the demo's release) it can be surprisingly quick to improve a program a surprising amount. Yes, we'll have to wait and see.

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Guest Rick Baldwin

This argument reminds me of the old Certs commercial:"It's a BREATH mint!""No, it's a CANDY mint!"Will the world stop spinning regardless of what definition prevails? Of course not! :-wave-Rick

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