Ok so I maxed out every single slider in FSX just to see where I stand. I knew it wasn't going to play smooth but honestly the graphics were still nothing to brag about. I did the helicopter mission in Tokyo and I was getting 4fps it was just about impossible to fly. My question is would the graphics be better if my framerate was say 45fps right there or would it not make a difference?? Does framerate have anything to do with graphics?? With everything maxed out I am not impressed with the graphics. It's almost like the ground is a satellite image that I am seeing up close it's all blurred and is very low resolution. I can't even get a sense of how high I am that's how bad it is.

The rendering engine is overloading with those settings on your hardware, and its response is to shed quality to try and cope. In fact, MS has stated that the rendering engine goes into this mode anytime FPS drops below 10.So to answer your question, yes if you had hardware capable of producing high frame rates with these settings, the graphics quality would be of significantly better quality.Gary

>The rendering engine is overloading with those settings on>your hardware, and its response is to shed quality to try and>cope. In fact, MS has stated that the rendering engine goes>into this mode anytime FPS drops below 10.>>So to answer your question, yes if you had hardware capable of>producing high frame rates with these settings, the graphics>quality would be of significantly better quality.>>GaryThank you very much. When you get that graphics card can you post some shots or do you not have FSX?? That graphics card that your getting I was very interested in but I might want to hold off until DX10. I wonder just how much quality I am losing when the fps is at 4. I want to just see how good the graphics can be. I really don't like how the ground looks all blurred. Like I said it's like they took a satellite picture...pasted on for the ground scenery and when we fly below 1000 it looks like it should...a picture that was taken from space.

what is that air-source site. I see it has virtual pilots union. Can you explain what it is I don't get it. It looks interesting.

The UPS website says it is out for delivery to me today. I don't have final FSX release, but I do have Beta 3 which is supposed to be reasonably representative of the final version. I believe the latest demo is based on the final release, so I might download that while I wait for my AVSIM conference FSX copies to arrive.BTW, you can see what the ground textures should look like by making all other settings mid-low and cranking up the ground texture quality sliders. Everything else may look bad, but your ground textures should look great!Gary

Go here to read more about it: http://www.air-source.us/Home/about.aspIn short, it is a very flexible VA where you can fly bid, scheduled, personal or airlift flights in a variety of aircraft types either solo, multi-player or on VATSIM. I have been a member for two years and it has been a very enjoyable experience.Gary

>Thank you very much. When you get that graphics card can you>post some shots or do you not have FSX?? That graphics card>that your getting I was very interested in but I might want to>hold off until DX10. Let's get this point clear from the beginning...There isn't a personal computer existing on the planet today that is capable of running FSX "with all sliders maxed."The simple truth is that FSX is throwing in excess of ten times as much data into the mix as FS9, with the results you've already seen... ;)Set the sliders to the "out of the box defaults" and apply some (or all!) of the various tweaks already posted, tested and discussed, then enjoy what you can from FSX until both the available hardware, software and your desire and/or ability to upgrade your system coincide! :)

I'll be interested to see what the default slider mix is when my video card arrives. If I see "lowest" anything, I think I will cry no matter how much data is being thrown around with this new title :-lolGary

>The UPS website says it is out for delivery to me today. I>don't have final FSX release, but I do have Beta 3 which is>supposed to be reasonably representative of the final version.> I believe the latest demo is based on the final release, so I>might download that while I wait for my AVSIM conference FSX>copies to arrive.>>BTW, you can see what the ground textures should look like by>making all other settings mid-low and cranking up the ground>texture quality sliders. Everything else may look bad, but>your ground textures should look great!>>GaryI'm still not impressed with ground textures. It's just blurry ground and then building and houses planted there. It's extremely low res.

>>Thank you very much. When you get that graphics card can>you>>post some shots or do you not have FSX?? That graphics card>>that your getting I was very interested in but I might want>to>>hold off until DX10. >>>Let's get this point clear from the beginning...>>There isn't a personal computer existing on the planet today>that is capable of running FSX "with all sliders maxed.">>The simple truth is that FSX is throwing in excess of ten>times as much data into the mix as FS9, with the results>you've already seen... ;)>>Set the sliders to the "out of the box defaults" and apply>some (or all!) of the various tweaks already posted, tested>and discussed, then enjoy what you can from FSX until both the>available hardware, software and your desire and/or ability to>upgrade your system coincide! :)>>I understand that no computer can run it at all max but my question was how much would the graphics be improved if in fact I *COULD* run it with say 50fps sliders all the way maxed. I was running at 4fps and it was locking up, impossible to fly unless I had the best patience in the world...but anyways I thought I would see stunning graphics but just not be able to do anything because of the locking up with 4fps. Well that wasn't even the case. The graphics were still terrible. Now that I know when your fps is that low it hurts the graphics I would just like to know what it would look like on my machine if in fact I could run 50fps. The only thing that has impressed me so far is the water effects. The trees, buildings, houses and ground are not impressive at all. I guess this could all be from fps.

Dave,You have given us precious little information about anything regarding your setup and what you are seeing. There is no way anyone could help you unless you:1. Post a screen shot of what you are seeing.2. Tell us the specs of your computer - all of them.As noted above, trying to set all sliders to the max is just ludicrous, and not representative of what is possible. As soon as you start running out of memory, the ground textures start getting "mipped" until they are just a blur. But really, the words you used tell us nothing about what you are seeing.Thomas[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com] http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]I like using VC's :-)N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180

The graphics with the sliders maxxed look the same at 50 fps as they do at 5 fps. You just get to see them more often :-) . More fps does nothing to the appearance of the trees, buildings, houses, and ground textures.Doug

G'day Doug,That would be true if there was only one texture resolution, as there would be going from 10 to 50 FPS but according to a developer FSX automatically drops back to a low texture resolution whenever FPS goes below 10 FPS. So there would be a noticeable change going from 5 to 10 FPS. :-) The same developer also said that if FSX detects an AMD chip on installation that it also lowers some of the basic settings slightly which could also help explain the various discrepencies some people are posting about performance with just the basic settings.Cheers,Roger

>Dave,>You have given us precious little information about anything>regarding your setup and what you are seeing. There is no way>anyone could help you unless you:>1. Post a screen shot of what you are seeing.>2. Tell us the specs of your computer - all of them.>>As noted above, trying to set all sliders to the max is just>ludicrous, and not representative of what is possible. As>soon as you start running out of memory, the ground textures>start getting "mipped" until they are just a blur. But>really, the words you used tell us nothing about what you are>seeing.>>Thomas>>[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com]>http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]>>I like using VC's :-)>N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180Well that is very helpful information. Seems to me that it's my video card that's really causing these blurred images. The ground is just blurred. I'm telling you just because it's a 7600gs doesn't mean nothing. It's using ddr2 memory instead of ddr3 memory. It's a $150 graphics card that came with my computer. It's nothing special. I just don't want to upgrade to something $500 when DX10 is not that far away. Just bad timing.I would love to post a screen and edit it and point out exactly what I mean but I can't get it small enough to do....any help??

>Dave,>You have given us precious little information about anything>regarding your setup and what you are seeing. There is no way>anyone could help you unless you:>1. Post a screen shot of what you are seeing.>2. Tell us the specs of your computer - all of them.>>As noted above, trying to set all sliders to the max is just>ludicrous, and not representative of what is possible. As>soon as you start running out of memory, the ground textures>start getting "mipped" until they are just a blur. But>really, the words you used tell us nothing about what you are>seeing.>>Thomas>>[a href=http://www.flyingscool.com]>http://www.flyingscool.com/images/Signature.jpg [/a]>>I like using VC's :-)>N15802 KASH '73 Piper Cherokee Challenger 180Here is my dxdiag...http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/158477.txthttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/158478.txt