Hi,Right now it really is quite alarming to see so much negative posting in this forum. I think some of us need to chill and consider the consequences of such behaviour. I know the current level of concern is great, but I would suggest a policy of lambasting the product and its developers is not the way to make things right.People seem to have such short memories. Think back to FS2004. It is stll installed on my system and will remain so for the forseeable future. Why? Quite simply because I have invested a great deal of time, money and effort over the past 3 years of its existence to elevate its performance to a level whereby I can go almost anywhere on the globe and fly fluidly with great visuals. Why in god's name would I wish to turn my back on it at this stage? It would be a huge loss as I can continue to do so much with it that currently is not yet possible in FSX. That will change.Don't misunderstand me for I do love FSX and the huge potential it represents for great simming. It will undoubtedly fulfill all our expectations in the not so very distant future. Yes, I agree, FSX appears significantly more taxing on a wider range of current hardware than its predecessor was 3 years ago. However, the fact remains that FS9, out-of-the-box, ran very well so long as we could be persuaded to use those sliders intelligently. The problem is we were given a sim which offered far more and, in the beginning, many of us were frustrated because we were reluctant to compromise. In the end our appetites were gradually satiated when tweaks started to appear, with the release of numerous sets of beautiful replacement textures for ground, sea and sky, landclass and mesh files which transformed our global environment...the list goes on and on. Also, while all this was happening, hardware was catching up.I'm sure those of us, like me, who don't have the skills feel very proud and endlessly grateful to be part of a community that includes so much talent and selfless devotion. We are very lucky to be involved and excited by a hobby that offers us so much pleasure and virtually limitless satisfaction; all because those dedicated individuals continue to show a willingness to share their creative efforts with the rest of us. Let's not forget that it's our enthusiam that helps to drive this process.My guess is that those same brilliant developers and fellow enthusiasts who were instrumental in resolving all those issues facing us at the birth of FS9 will be offering us similar solutions before long for FSX. It's happening already.Let's all celebrate our new sim. Make no mistake, ACES have done a wonderful job packing it with many new features. However, this all comes at a price and the negative forum activity sadly bears testament to this uncomfortable fact. The problem for the ACES Team is that in one respect this appears to be a case of being damned if they do and damned if they don't. I, for one, am very glad they chose the 'do' route for, in doing so, they have produced a spectacular simulator with unprecedented potential.FSX can be made to run smooth and still retain much of the visual splendour of which it is capable. We just have to keep reminding ourselves of the FS9 experience, those trials and tribulations which, given time, were mostly resolved. I could not bring myself to remove this great sim from my HD, all 45GBs of it, and it will certainly continue to complement its successor until such time as FSX comes of age.MikeASRock 939Dual-SATA2, AMD Athlon 64X2 3800+ (2000MHz)(K8 Manchester/Toledo), 2GB Crucial PC3200 DDR400 Ram 1CMD (Dual Channel), (AGP 8X) Saphire ATI Radeon X800 XL (R430) 256MB (Omega 3.8.273 (Catalyst 6.7)

Im just glad MS put out a flight sim at all!Why they even bother fooling around with games much less flight sims makes no sense to me.I treat each and every version like it could be the last.

Couldn't agree more Mike. There seems to be a handful of people who take great joy in adding negative remarks to every post about FSX. They will get bored and move on sooner or later. I'm hoping it's sooner. I'm running both FS9 and FSX on my new machine and am happy with both. For now FS9 is my "airliner" sim and FSX is my GA low and slow sim. The best of both worlds! ;-)Will

Great post.:-) Just fly what you got and be happy.

I am afraid I will be taking a break from Avsim forums, or any FS forums for that matter, for at least a month. I just don't have the energy to read through the junk to get to the good stuff anymore. I will be loving FSX to pieces in the meantime, so it's not a sim hiatus. To those that love to FLY, thanks for all the good reads, there is hope for the future. For those that love to gripe more than fly, well...there are no words strong enough, and even if there were, I won't try to sneak around the language filter just to say them.Thanks ACES, thanks beta testers, thanks SIMMERS. I will be in much better spirits when I return because of your contributions. FSX rocks!-Jeremy Burchhttp://home.earthlink.net/~dawgfighter/sit...es/swvasig1.gifSWVA4806 http://www.virtualswa.com/home.phpThe Ozark Dogfighter http://forums.avsim.net/images/wedge.gifCurrent system:Pentium 4 Cedar Mill 641 (3.40GHz), Abit AW8D, Gigabyte GeForce 7900GTX (512MB DDR3 PCI-Express x16),Corsair XMS2 Pro 2GB PC2 6400 (DDR2 800), 2 SeaGate Barracuda 250GB hard drives, Sound Blaster X-Fi PlatinumKlipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 speakers, NEC 20" CRT, Microsoft SideWinder Force Feedback 2Please note: System specs are for reference in tech forums only and are not to be taken as meaning anything else.Doing so will result in eye-rolling, possible teeth grinding and perhaps mild internal chuckling.Happy Flying!

Good post. Sure I'm bummed out that can't max out my FSX sliders and all of that, but that was no surprise. I just can't see another company coming along anytime soon with the resources to pack together a flightsim with all that FSX has to offer.At the same time, I'm finding quite a bit of use from all the flaming posts...they are useful beyond the rants to which many of them have been reduced. "When you've had your fill, stop reading them" is my take.I look at it like this: I currently have a P4 3.0GHZ HT with 2GB ram and an ATI X1600 Pro 512MB. This system is a little over 2 years old, and naturally I know that I need to upgrade...but "not just yet" is what I've discovered (ironically) since FSX was released. With all the buzz on the street about Vista and DX10, and all of the users on AVSIM posting their FSX performance and associated system specs, I was spared the bigger disappointment of rushing out and buying a system that wouldn't handle the job. If everything holds true about the Vista/DX10 expectations, FSX will turn out to be a good benchmark for the system I'll end up buying/building NEXT Year...better than guessing wrong I figure.:-walksmile

I agree. However everyone is entitled to their opinions.What people have to realise is that FSX is the latest Flight Sim on the market and THE BEST. If people don't like FSX, then by all means go back to FS9. I'm happy with my 15 fps.

I totally agree Mike. We go through this with every new release of the FS series, and you are right people have short memories once they have the 'prior' release running great! I've had pretty much every version of MSFS since it's conception (and the sublogic/bao versions too).For those who remember back - how about all the fun we had with exteneded memory managers like QEMM and special startup profiles just to make the thing run back in the DOS days? No different now - just we all mess with the config files and our graphics drivers to make it work and look how we want it (myself included). That's part of the charm of MSFS, tweeking and messing with it till it flies how you want with the hardware you can afford to provide it with at the time! Yeah, in 2 years time, we'll all no doubt be running FSX maxed out, just like we do FS9 right now. Personally, I have my FSX running great, and am very impressed with the visuals, and the new water effects and weather/turbulance effects are nothing short of amazing - love it!Sure - it will take time till I have everything working like I have in FS9, I have 2 years of add-ons and work I've done to make it how I like, can't expect to have it all in FSX instantly, it's only been two weeks since it was released! And sure, there are things I really hoped for, like improved ATC (emergency landing procedures, speed call-outs and better AI to keep people in line during approaches), but you can't have it all. I think FSX is a good progression in the series and I'm sticking with it, and can just imagine how it will look in a couple of years!And like the second post - I'm glad they decided to even make FSX, I always worry one day they might stop creating new versions, it's all down to making $ for MS. Hopefully things like the missions will bring more traditional 'gamers' into the flight simming world and they might start to enjoy what a wonderful and addictive hobby it can be, and the joys of flying a full IFR flight from flight planning, push-back, taxi, take-off,flight, landing and pulling up to the gate with a job well done! We can hope - I'm sure there are enough of us enthusiasts to keep it going anyway!!! :)Okay - better stop - this is becoming a book!Andy.

It's the circle of FS life. It's the same at every release and that's something we'll have to live with. ;)I wouldn't mind if Avsim made a special subforum called 'FS opinions', where all posts with all opinions (good, bad, in between) would be moved to, so that this FS X forum would only be filled with questions and answers about the sim itself, information that we all can learn from, and no talk about MS or the devs or how bad FS X is supposed to be or whatsoever. Those topics about the sim itself are already here, of course, but sometimes they get snowed under in all those way too long "I hate MS-topics', which BTW I usually skip. Hm, maybe Avsim can install a filter that would get all those topics out of my sight because I'm not interested in them: I'm perfectly happy with FS X. I really am! :)

>Right now it really is quite alarming to see so much negative>posting in this forum. I think some of us need to chill and>consider the consequences of such behaviour. I know the>current level of concern is great, but I would suggest a>policy of lambasting the product and its developers is not the>way to make things right.Sure lambasting the product is wrong. But a care free everything is alright the product will work great in the future is also wrong.There are fundamental problems with FS-X as it is currently released. Being nice about it and not mentioning them will get you nothing. FS-X needs extra development time, some functions need to be trimmed or tweaked. Being all nice about it won't be noticed by the managers that gave Aces to little time for their work to begin with.I returned my copy to the shop. Removed the program from my harddrive and used the forum to make it known why a flightsim enthousiast like me with nice medium to high end hardware would do such a thing. My agenda is not to lambast Aces or make you feel bad about the product. My agenda is to get this product fixed so we can use it for whats it intended for. Returning it to the shop is the only way I can put a little pressure on the beancounters that made the descision to release FS-X to early.I was encouraged by this blog entry from Paulhttp://blogs.technet.com/p-12c_pilot/archi...ues-issues.aspxMaybe its idea to ask permission to duplicate it in this forum and make it a sticky. It summerises the current state of FS-X very well and it promisses an improvement in the future.

Hi,I was encouraged by this blog entry from Paulhttp://blogs.technet.com/p-12c_pilot/archi...ues-issues.aspxThanks for drawing our attention to that. Yes, it is encouraging and, I have to say, reassuring.I'm not against constructive input and criticizm - far from it, the more the merrier say I. What worries me is the tendency of some to deal with their understandable anxieties and frustrations by bating others with unpleasant and unwelcome vitriolic utterances. It just isn't necessary and certainly should not be showcased on forums such as ours. Sadly this has become an ugly feature of our fast-paced and complex modern society. There is a desire for everything to be perfect at the outset and woe betide those who fail the test. Perhaps if we all took time to pause and reflect, the world would soon become a much happier place and not the chronic mess of despair we see around us at present.Mike

Hi agree with this post but I think that the real problem with FSX (again negative!) are the great expectations that all the people here had on it before flying it.No doubt that FSX is a great fsim (with all the problems of every new game) but it's very disappointing to see all its potentiality at the maximum settings and the fact that is not really possible to use all of them ...

but it's very disappointing to see all its potentiality at the maximum settings and the fact that is not really possible to use all of them ...Of course it is, but then, 'twas ever thus...don't you agree?Mike

Great post! I couldn't agree more!Cheers,Mitch R.

"Time to Pause" ??Didn't you mean: Time to Slew ? :-)Sorry, but maybe a little humor will enlighten this FS communitity.Like with all other new FS introductions, most people have an opinion on it and find it necessary to vent it on forums like this.I don't mind, although it gives me a hard time to pick out the (unfortunately, very occasional) real informative posts.So I guess I have to bite the bullet for another few months or so.And about your post: Although I generally agree with you, there's one point that creeps up all the time in threads like these: that we should be so very gratefull to MS/ACES.Well, I'm not. MSFS is a business, and MS does it to make profits with this product like any other product they develop/market/sell. Period.Which I gladly pay for, by the way.Nothing wrong with that business attitude, but it doesn't make me feel gratefull.IHMO gratitude should be reserved to all those people in these forums that are willing to help others with their FS problems, or create that wealth of freeware addons. For free.Maybe that's something to Reflect on :-)Cheers, Rob Barendregt